Each Face Retains the Mask it Wore
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
real music for real picture, particularly if it's a theatrical picture, is the purview of a professional mastering sort of job anyway.
If I was in the biz I would have a car (or I wouldn't be, because LA)
If I was in the biz I would have a car (or I wouldn't be, because LA)
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I've related the stupid anecdote around 8 thousand times at Music Theory, but I was so bored at CCM Honors History (I'm a high school dropout, what am I doing in this thing. Actually it was theory acumen and their best testingChameleonMusic wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:43 pmI taught someone Renaissance Counterpoint via Zoom during lockdown (they're NOT on social media so I can safely say that I was bored shitless - don't think it showed as I tend to be VERY enthusiastic when in 'teaching mode')!tomtom1 wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:12 amChameleonMusic wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:59 pm that discussed Renaissance Polyphony for about a week!![]()
boring!I am allowed to say that because I had to write missas during my studies according to the old rules (we started with the rules for creating melodies and with two-part counterpoint ...)
Yeah, those exercises in polyphony...aaaargh!
And don't get me started on Species Counterpoint...please, seriously...don't!
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Later I looked at a Renaissance Counterpoint textbook in the library - MUCH later - and sought to slog through it, and it was just too boring to take seriously, in my late 40s or whatever with not a lot going on.
No, when I was an undergrad I refused Species. I didn't know a lot but I knew I didn't want that. Counterpoint is perhaps my strongest suit and I wanted Free, which you cannot haz without the Fuxing Fux.
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- KVRAF
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- 1923 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
You do realize that we're now discussing the dreaded Species Counterpoint!jancivil wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:33 pmI've related the stupid anecdote around 8 thousand times at Music Theory, but I was so bored at CCM Honors History (I'm a high school dropout, what am I doing in this thing. Actually it was theory acumen and their best testingChameleonMusic wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:43 pmI taught someone Renaissance Counterpoint via Zoom during lockdown (they're NOT on social media so I can safely say that I was bored shitless - don't think it showed as I tend to be VERY enthusiastic when in 'teaching mode')!tomtom1 wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 6:12 amChameleonMusic wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:59 pm that discussed Renaissance Polyphony for about a week!![]()
boring!I am allowed to say that because I had to write missas during my studies according to the old rules (we started with the rules for creating melodies and with two-part counterpoint ...)
Yeah, those exercises in polyphony...aaaargh!
And don't get me started on Species Counterpoint...please, seriously...don't!
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) I was showing up late, inattentive, unserious and finally this dipshit called me up and suggested it would be better for both of us if I dropped it. Two trimesters into a three trimester course and we hadn't got to Palestrina. We had to write essays on the difference between this or the next thing off of cassette copies of shite budget label pressings which weren't in great shape either.
Later I looked at a Renaissance Counterpoint textbook in the library - MUCH later - and sought to slog through it, and it was just too boring to take seriously, in my late 40s or whatever with not a lot going on.
No, when I was an undergrad I refused Species. I didn't know a lot but I knew I didn't want that. Counterpoint is perhaps my strongest suit and I wanted Free, which you cannot haz without the Fuxing Fux.
Should've been studying him no later than 2 minutes into the course!Two trimesters into a three trimester course and we hadn't got to Palestrina.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
to me there is precious little before Palestrina to care about (from Western Europe; NB: the text was the Grout*). But this was one o' those tweedy dweebs with halitosis who was sehr serious about this stuff, and we were kids. I don't recall anyone being enthused by this approach. ultraconservative
the Honors thing is designed for academics who were going to get advanced degrees, I guess. I don't know, I'm an alien basically. (*: which radicalized me, the dull hegemony of that, confer Furtwangler and the argument from nature for the 12tET system and tonality)
the Honors thing is designed for academics who were going to get advanced degrees, I guess. I don't know, I'm an alien basically. (*: which radicalized me, the dull hegemony of that, confer Furtwangler and the argument from nature for the 12tET system and tonality)
- KVRian
- 1038 posts since 21 May, 2020 from germany
ChameleonMusic wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:47 pm You do realize that we're now discussing the dreaded Species Counterpoint!
yey!
(if i try a little, i will not attract attention - in these circles
it is better to have a track with some mistakes than a track without any soul
myself in 2022
myself in 2022
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- KVRAF
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- 1923 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
John, you have no idea!
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- 1923 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
Seriously... Cambiata and fuckin' Fux in one sentence? What next... échappée?tomtom1 wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:24 amChameleonMusic wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:47 pm You do realize that we're now discussing the dreaded Species Counterpoint!yey!counterpoint!
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I think the treatment of the cambiata by fux is really essential, it elevates the spirit into higher spheres, brings mankind forward, makes everything seem void ...
(if i try a little, i will not attract attention - in these circles)
Boy, do you know how to lower the tone of a discussion, Thomas!
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
jargon. Actually echappee always struck as particularly pointless. what's the line, what does the ear want, why are we making music? It's just a description, who the hell needs that. extraneous talk.
cambiata; rules qua rules?
pointless
cambiata; rules qua rules?
pointless
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- 1923 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
Jan, this post of yours made me laugh so much it still hurts an hour later!!!jancivil wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:57 pm to me there is precious little before Palestrina to care about (from Western Europe; NB: the text was the Grout*). But this was one o' those tweedy dweebs with halitosis who was sehr serious about this stuff, and we were kids. I don't recall anyone being enthused by this approach. ultraconservative
the Honors thing is designed for academics who were going to get advanced degrees, I guess. I don't know, I'm an alien basically. (*: which radicalized me, the dull hegemony of that, confer Furtwangler and the argument from nature for the 12tET system and tonality)
No argument from me... I regularly had blazing rows with the Head of Dept at uni... He so lacked any real world perspective and I was an inexperienced, rebellious 19 Yr old on a mission to educate him... He was probably the world's leading voice on Mozart at the time and hated anyone challenging his own particular viewpoint...I couldn't resist poking him with ridiculous left field questions!
Eventually in my 2nd year he threw me off the course without any warning... He thought I'd just disappear... Nope... Other professors and lecturers backed me and after a formal hearing in front of the Vice-chancellor, I was re-admitted and he was reprimanded for not following procedures... we never spoke again at any point!
Mark Taylor, Chameleon Music - Professional composition and sound design for all media since 1994.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I wasn't assertive like that or argumentative. I just wasn't very reverent. Some pianist also in the course made a joke on the name Clemens non Papa "Clemens, non papa!" (like a Maury Povich gag), we both cracked up, and this pissed off Tweedy. This was someone who never did anything real, I guarantee it.
I liked the 'Music Theory' prof - James Gallatin - but were I a certain kind of individual I would sue him for that 4 points he took off my final grade, which should have been 100 but I committed covered fifths in a german sixth to V - Mozart fifths, yo - (once I'd read about that I have to conclude this test was designed so that no one may get 100, because there's nothing else could be done with it/trick question). Pretty sure it can be proven time and time again, but no matter, Mozart did it, JS Bach...
I liked the 'Music Theory' prof - James Gallatin - but were I a certain kind of individual I would sue him for that 4 points he took off my final grade, which should have been 100 but I committed covered fifths in a german sixth to V - Mozart fifths, yo - (once I'd read about that I have to conclude this test was designed so that no one may get 100, because there's nothing else could be done with it/trick question). Pretty sure it can be proven time and time again, but no matter, Mozart did it, JS Bach...
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- KVRAF
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- 1923 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
Thanks John - much appreciated as always!Allomerus wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:30 am Fabulous music. It's amazing what you can do now with software, some knowledge and skill!
Impressed.
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Wasn't entirely sure that this one 100% 'held together' at first despite the single melodic thread running through... it does change style quite dramatically at times...but it's starting to grow on me now!
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- 1923 posts since 23 Nov, 2018 from Birmingham, UK
Thanks for the listen and feedback!TribeOfHǫfuð wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:00 pm Yeah, Cham. Very nice. Probably no surprise to you that this speaks into the mood and instruments I like myself. Though the distorted guitar felt a little anachronistic, I would not have dared that idea, but it worked. Cinematic the relaxed way. Lovely.
Distorted guitar - i do know what you mean (though wouldn't necessarily say it was anachronistic...though maybe the particular sound here is a tad 1980s Hair Extension Rock)?
I added the guitar ostinato pattern to give a little forward drive to the underlying rhythmic feel and then changed it from the original 'clean' FX to a more rock sound so that it blended in with the other parts more easily + maybe added even more energy somehow.
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Hi Wags...thanks for the listen!wagtunes wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:42 pmThat's what happens when I don't come around as much as I used to. Took me 5 days to get to this.ChameleonMusic wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:00 pm https://soundcloud.com/chameleon-music/ ... sk-it-wore
A piece that evolved out of one simple melodic motif - a little melodic idea that is present in each and every section of the music.
Stylistically this is very much a bit of a hybrid creation - electronica / classical / ambient...maybe others as well for some listeners?
Composed June 2021 using various Kontakt 6 libraries and Reaktor Blocks
Any Reaktor owners who haven't tried out BLOCKs yet...go for it...great fun!
Anywho, that's the quickest 5 minutes I've ever sat through. Simple motif turned into a really cool track. The mix is great. Everything about it is great.
Anybody who doesn't hear the Alan Parsons influence is deaf. Alan himself would be proud.
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That suggestion is much appreciated!Alan himself would be proud.
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- Banned
- 995 posts since 4 Feb, 2021
It is just me. Since this tune tended toward our own medieval moods, I just made a blind analogy to our own preferred instrumentation. Guitar was moody too, and I liked it. We each have our signatures and should make room for their diversity.ChameleonMusic wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:06 pm Distorted guitar - i do know what you mean (though wouldn't necessarily say it was anachronistic...though maybe the particular sound here is a tad 1980s Hair Extension Rock)?![]()
Tribe Of Hǫfuð https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154 "First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or oblique motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.