Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter
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- KVRist
- 314 posts since 30 May, 2005
Hey Andy, another one for the updated manual when you get time
I was just trying to get the midi triggering working on the envelope using a Midi controlled AU in logic.
Nothing worked until I actually enabled the midi button.
I assumed that because I was setting the midi trigger in the envelope that it would just work, and at the same time assumed that the midi button was only for key tracking.
All good, but it took some trying to figure out why and I kept looking at the manual for answers.
I was just trying to get the midi triggering working on the envelope using a Midi controlled AU in logic.
Nothing worked until I actually enabled the midi button.
I assumed that because I was setting the midi trigger in the envelope that it would just work, and at the same time assumed that the midi button was only for key tracking.
All good, but it took some trying to figure out why and I kept looking at the manual for answers.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
Sorry for the trouble, and yes I will update the manual at some stage. At least the MIDI button is already covered in the manual:Mogular wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:25 am Hey Andy, another one for the updated manual when you get time
I was just trying to get the midi triggering working on the envelope using a Midi controlled AU in logic.
Nothing worked until I actually enabled the midi button.
I assumed that because I was setting the midi trigger in the envelope that it would just work, and at the same time assumed that the midi button was only for key tracking.
All good, but it took some trying to figure out why and I kept looking at the manual for answers.
Parameter: Midi Active
Label: MIDI
Description: Enable MIDI triggering and keyboard tracking
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
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- KVRist
- 314 posts since 30 May, 2005
On another note, I was actually comparing the Drop against the Softube Model 72 moog emulation, particularly how the two sound when the filter is overdriven.
The results were markedly different.
Two things I noted:
The envelope shapes are very different. The Drop envelopes appear to be completely linear. I was able to emulate the Softube envelope by triggering the Drop lfo 2 and then shaping it.
The sound of the Model 72 filter was very different to the Drop Prodigy filter and I couldn't get any comparable sound, though I actually got closer with the SHR filter.
So, are there any plans to make the envelope section more flexible to enable non-linear curves?
Are there any plans to model a minimoog filter?
I always assumed that the reason you did the Prodigy was that it was essentially the same as other moog ladder types. I am of course assuming here that the Softube filter DOES sound like a minimoog filter
The results were markedly different.
Two things I noted:
The envelope shapes are very different. The Drop envelopes appear to be completely linear. I was able to emulate the Softube envelope by triggering the Drop lfo 2 and then shaping it.
The sound of the Model 72 filter was very different to the Drop Prodigy filter and I couldn't get any comparable sound, though I actually got closer with the SHR filter.
So, are there any plans to make the envelope section more flexible to enable non-linear curves?
Are there any plans to model a minimoog filter?
I always assumed that the reason you did the Prodigy was that it was essentially the same as other moog ladder types. I am of course assuming here that the Softube filter DOES sound like a minimoog filter
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
The Drop envelope section is a model of the Moog Taurus' envelope section, so it is highly non-linear and reacts smoothly to changes in the input, and is actually both a regular envelope AHR generator, as well as an envelope follower - as an effect plugin it's very important to have an envelope follower! There is no possibility in the model to artificially alter the curve shape since the shape is dictated by the circuit itself.Mogular wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 11:18 pm On another note, I was actually comparing the Drop against the Softube Model 72 moog emulation, particularly how the two sound when the filter is overdriven.
The results were markedly different.
Two things I noted:
The envelope shapes are very different. The Drop envelopes appear to be completely linear. I was able to emulate the Softube envelope by triggering the Drop lfo 2 and then shaping it.
The sound of the Model 72 filter was very different to the Drop Prodigy filter and I couldn't get any comparable sound, though I actually got closer with the SHR filter.
So, are there any plans to make the envelope section more flexible to enable non-linear curves?
Are there any plans to model a minimoog filter?
I always assumed that the reason you did the Prodigy was that it was essentially the same as other moog ladder types. I am of course assuming here that the Softube filter DOES sound like a minimoog filter
The PRD model is an accurate emulation of the Moog Prodigy filter section. The Minimoog and has a very different resonance section, especially if you include the entire AMP section of the Minimoog with feedback. I cannot comment on the accuracy of the Softube model, and I currently don't have any plans to add a Minimoog model into The Drop.
I recommend if you want the sound of a Minimoog then you should buy an analog Minimoog, or one of the many existing models of one, The Drop isn't going to reproduce this sound.
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- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
That's some interesting insight, thanks.andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:17 amThe Drop envelope section is a model of the Moog Taurus' envelope section, so it is highly non-linear and reacts smoothly to changes in the input, and is actually both a regular envelope AHR generator, as well as an envelope follower - as an effect plugin it's very important to have an envelope follower! There is no possibility in the model to artificially alter the curve shape since the shape is dictated by the circuit itself.Mogular wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 11:18 pm On another note, I was actually comparing the Drop against the Softube Model 72 moog emulation, particularly how the two sound when the filter is overdriven.
The results were markedly different.
Two things I noted:
The envelope shapes are very different. The Drop envelopes appear to be completely linear. I was able to emulate the Softube envelope by triggering the Drop lfo 2 and then shaping it.
The sound of the Model 72 filter was very different to the Drop Prodigy filter and I couldn't get any comparable sound, though I actually got closer with the SHR filter.
So, are there any plans to make the envelope section more flexible to enable non-linear curves?
Are there any plans to model a minimoog filter?
I always assumed that the reason you did the Prodigy was that it was essentially the same as other moog ladder types. I am of course assuming here that the Softube filter DOES sound like a minimoog filter
The PRD model is an accurate emulation of the Moog Prodigy filter section. The Minimoog and has a very different resonance section, especially if you include the entire AMP section of the Minimoog with feedback. I cannot comment on the accuracy of the Softube model, and I currently don't have any plans to add a Minimoog model into The Drop.
I recommend if you want the sound of a Minimoog then you should buy an analog Minimoog, or one of the many existing models of one, The Drop isn't going to reproduce this sound.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11054 posts since 12 May, 2008
Just noticed this and was wondering, what else do you have to do to the Drop to consider it "finished". I'm also looking forward to the VST3 version.andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:59 am VST3 support doesn't actually add any functionality to the plugin that isn't already there, but I understand how inflexible Steinberg is. Once I have finished The Drop I will look at updating to the latest version of Juce which allows for VST3 support as well as M1 support, but those initial builds will most likely not be very stable.
thanks
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
I consider The Drop finished. This will be a maintenance release that will update the common framework used by all Cytomic plugins, so there won’t be anything specific added to The Drop.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:15 pmJust noticed this and was wondering, what else do you have to do to the Drop to consider it "finished". I'm also looking forward to the VST3 version.andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:59 am VST3 support doesn't actually add any functionality to the plugin that isn't already there, but I understand how inflexible Steinberg is. Once I have finished The Drop I will look at updating to the latest version of Juce which allows for VST3 support as well as M1 support, but those initial builds will most likely not be very stable.
thanks
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
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- KVRAF
- 3025 posts since 6 Nov, 2006
just above your post is this:
I consider The Drop finished. This will be a maintenance release that will update the common framework used by all Cytomic plugins, so there won’t be anything specific added to The Drop.
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
- KVRAF
- 6111 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
Any news about the upcoming cytomic modular ?
A screenshot to ease the waiting time ?
A screenshot to ease the waiting time ?
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- KVRAF
- 2374 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide
A modular?!gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:51 am Any news about the upcoming cytomic modular ?
A screenshot to ease the waiting time ?
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 6 May, 2002
What's going on with an official Scream 1.0 release?andy-cytomic wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:22 am
I consider The Drop finished. This will be a maintenance release that will update the common framework used by all Cytomic plugins, so there won’t be anything specific added to The Drop.
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