Motorola DSP563xx Emulator (BETA) (Access Virus, Nord Lead, Waldorf MW...)

[numerouno]

So, is this going to be synth that you need that loop midi all the time? Or will this be just like a normal VSTi in future? I am stupid, help me!

It will function as a normal VST in future

GUI coming soon

That looks fantastic!
Re the CPU usage on my i7 4790s - I've finally come across some sounds that break up when I play more than four notes - I checked in Task Manager (I'm using Windows 8.1, FL Studio ASIO on an HP Elitedesk 800 G1 with VST Host), and (obviously) one core is being used, it hovers around 60% of that one core (of eight) when no notes are pressed, then if I play certain presets with more than four notes, or several four note chords in quick succession, that core hits 100% and the sound breaks up. As the notes die out, the core goes back down to about 60% when the emulator is silent.

Yeah some patches can be heavy on the CPU, lots of people are having great results on Ryzens and other i7 processors

Come and join our discord server if you fancy it we have over 700 likeminded people in there now (invite link is in my signature below)

[Freaqpeak]

Competing plugin companies with a similar product will lose income, though.

There are none though.

Depends on what you view as 'similar', I guess.

If a Virus TI becomes available for free, it will obviously have an impact on sales of Adam Szabo's Viper, but it might also have an impact on sales of products from u-he, Synapse Audio, Reveal Sound, LennarDigital, etc., even if they are not direct emulations.

The same way a crack of DAW A has an impact on sales of uncracked DAW B, despite being different products.

But anyway, I'm just saying that the argument "nothing wrong with it, doesn't hurt anyone" isn't necessarily true.

Same is true for every release of any sw or hw synth.. it is called competition and free market. So Everyone should stop making any competition, it might be "hurtful" to others.
Freeware DAWs and VSTi are a huge problem?
Its not hurtful any more than any other open market.
I sometimes borrow hardware synths from friends instead of buying my own, and I let others borrow mine. I am hurting the business! Shame on me.

[vurt]

The legal issues of playing with emulation based stuff seem a bit moot since the roms and synths are no longer available from the original companies.

The ROMs/BIOS of computers, game-console or synthesizer are usually copyrighted by the company. Distributing and downloading a 'ROM-backup' without the permission of the copyright-owner is illegal unless you got a written permission from the owner. It does not matter if the product is still sold or not.
That's why game-console-emulators like MAME do come without the BIOS ROMs.

By the way: Great work with the emulator

What if the company no longer exists, and nobody owns the rights to the ROM any more? What if you can no longer buy the product because they don't make it any more, and it was hardware in the first place, not software?
When somebody builds a hardware synth and expects it to sell for five to ten years, do you think they think "What are we going to do if somebody builds an emulator of our synth in thirty years' time, and people download copies of our ROM illegally? Oh, the humanity!"

with a name that sounds like a law firm, one has to ask, are you a lawyer?

[NikkiA]

with a name that sounds like a law firm, one has to ask, are you a lawyer?

More likely a mathematician/stastician:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

[vurt]

with a name that sounds like a law firm, one has to ask, are you a lawyer?

More likely a mathematician/stastician:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

interesting, thanks

[bmanic]

Any chance developing a branch for Mac M1 native at some point? It's single core capabilities are up there with some of the higher tier i7 and Ryzen counterparts.

I already got the Emulator working through Rosetta 2 in Reaper but obviously it's too compromised to run more than a few notes of polyphony. Would be curious to know how well a native M1 version could run.

[gentleclockdivider]

So, is this going to be synth that you need that loop midi all the time? Or will this be just like a normal VSTi in future? I am stupid, help me!

You can already control it with midi cc's
Here's an editor I made with loomer architect , all midi cc's except modmatrix

[AnX]

so are 'we' saying it's fully legal to build an emu, but totally illegal to access the ROM to put in it?

this means the emu is legally useless, and should not be encouraged if one is to remain legal....?

its certainly seems a dilemma for KVR....

not totally, if you own the device, you have the legal right to use it in an emu for personal use.

where does it say that?

im assuming most ppl who are going to use this don't own the hardware

[mike_o]

Has anyone gotten this to work on mac?

I've downloaded the VST and AU's, gotten the ROM files, placed them both in the AU folder and it just won't open an interface.

[kmonkey]

Has anyone gotten this to work on mac?

I've downloaded the VST and AU's, gotten the ROM files, placed them both in the AU folder and it just won't open an interface.

AFAIK there is no interface yet.

[recursive one]

so are 'we' saying it's fully legal to build an emu, but totally illegal to access the ROM to put in it?

this means the emu is legally useless, and should not be encouraged if one is to remain legal....?

its certainly seems a dilemma for KVR....

not totally, if you own the device, you have the legal right to use it in an emu for personal use.

where does it say that?

im assuming most ppl who are going to use this don't own the hardware

It seems that since the technology itself is new there's no clear answer whether it's legal to use a ROM dump if you have an original device (obviously it's not if you don't). Even if you make a ROM dump yourself, isn't that "reverse engineering" which also may be prohibited? And what if you own a different model which shares a part of the same code but you can't extract a ROM dump that can be used with the emualtor from it?

I hope it all would be cleared with Access at some point, and I think many people would be ready to pay them to get the right to use the Virus ROMs legally.

I think this a really exciting new technology that will bring the classic hardware synths back to life, hope the legal side of it will be sorted at some point, as for now I've deleted everything though.

[chk071]

The only way I could imagine companies really selling their ROMs is when the synthesizers are end of life, and the respective companies don't think they will do re-issues, or successors of those synths, AND a stable, "official" emulator is being released. I really can't imagine them selling ROMs for this, sorry.

It's also a big question if companies want to sell their ROMs at all, when it presents a point in time 20 years ago or more, and represents the status quo of tech back in those days. IMO, there's a lot of question marks there, and I just can't imagine any company doing that. Especially Access, who still sell the Virus. Why cut in your own flesh, and, especially, in that way? Doesn't make any sense to me. If I can still sell my hardware synth for 2.000 €, then why would I sell the software for much less for using in a beta Open Source third party software?

[Ameyah]

The Emu is out for almost a week now and no single sign from Access, i doubt we will see a reaction at all about this.
I mean Waldorf already reacted in some way. When maybe a Nord is next (which is still months in the future), maybe hearing something from Clavia?

But it is true, so far this is not "covered directly in full" by any terms.

So, is this going to be synth that you need that loop midi all the time? Or will this be just like a normal VSTi in future? I am stupid, help me!

You can already control it with midi cc's
Here's an editor I made with loomer architect , all midi cc's except modmatrix

How can i get this work? I mean the M4L virus controller in Ableton works just fine (okay i can load banks, but selecting from internal ROM patches).

[chk071]

I mean Waldorf already reacted in some way.

How?

Edit: Ah...I see now, you're probably referring to this: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=567546&p=8158209&hi ... f#p8158209

Interesting, because, I wasn't aware that Stefan Stenzel still works for Waldorf. I don't think he does really. See here: https://www.xing.com/profile/Stefan_Stenzel4 He left the company in 2017.

[Richard_Synapse]

The only way I could imagine companies really selling their ROMs is when the synthesizers are end of life, and the respective companies don't think they will do re-issues, or successors of those synths, AND a stable, "official" emulator is being released. I really can't imagine them selling ROMs for this, sorry.

Yep. What could make sense is the gog.com way of doing it with games, i.e. legally purchasing/licensing the old stuff and then selling it bundled with the emulator.

Richard