MSuperLooper 15 beta behaving inconsistently

[Burillo]

I can't figure out how to do the simplest thing in MSuperLooper - i want to press record, and i want the recording to record exactly 8 bars, and stop recording. I'm using a MIDI controller to trigger record, but for the life of me i can't find the right configuration for the trigger.

If i set the trigger to be a toggle (i.e. send MIDI CC value of 127 and leave it there), then the Record works for cases where there was no previous loop recorded - it stops after 8 bars correctly. However, once i do have a loop recorded, triggering Record in the same way will not stop after 8 bars - it'll keep recording until i unpress the record button.

If i set the trigger to be a momentary switch (i.e. send MIDI CC value of 127 followed by the same CC but with value of 0, i.e. "deselect"), then the recording will stop after just 1 bar.

Is there a way to make it work the way i want it to work, and to not record more than 8 bars at a time when i depress the record button?

With version 14, the following trick halfway worked:

1) set MIDI control to "momentary switch" (send 127 then send 0)
2) assign this value to "clear loop" and "record"

If this worked consistently, this allowed me to record exactly 8 bars unless i decide that i need a new loop, in which case i just press the "record" MIDI trigger again, and the recording starts again, clearing previous loop. The problem with version 14 was that sometimes the recording simply didn't start and MSuperLooper went straight to clearing the loop.

However buggy version 14 was, this seems to no longer work with 15 beta at all, and i really wish it would have, because this is core to my workflow.

[MeldaProduction]

So you want to automatically stop recording after the loop ends? (that's how I understand it, but I'm not sure)

[Burillo]

So you want to automatically stop recording after the loop ends? (that's how I understand it, but I'm not sure)

Yes, but I would also like for the looper to behave consistently. My ideal behaviour (in sync mode, couldn't care less about what happens in non sync mode) would be to stop recording after current loop ends when I depress record button, and keep recording indefinitely if it is pressed. I think that's pretty logical, and that's not how the looper currently works.

In v15 beta, if you depress the record button, the recording stops after one bar. I would like this to be "after end of loop" rather than "at the end of the bar".

Also, if you press the record key, the recording will stop after the end of the loop if the track is fresh after a reset, but will keep going indefinitely if you already had loops recorded on this track before. I would like the looper to always keep recording as long as record button is pressed, regardless of whether the track is empty or not.

[MeldaProduction]

Ok so: When you start recording, you need to press "Mark end" if you want the recording to go on. See, the plugin needs to know how long the loop should be. Then it seems all consistent - disabling recording stops recording at the end of the next main loop, unless auto overdub is enabled. So my guess is that your main loop is one bar? I suppose I could add another option for triggering at the end of the loop instead of main loop, but honestly it's already a spiderweb of options resulting in hundreds of scenarios and with every further options the number of scenarios doubles leading to a solid chance of buggy behaviour...

[Burillo]

I'm not sure i follow. I set the recording length to be 8 bars, and i use sync mode, so the looper should already know how long my recording is going to be? My expectation in that case would be that if i depress "record" button, the looper should keep recording until the end of the loop (which is set to be 8 bars), and then stop.

the workflow i'm trying to target is as follows:

0) bind "record" and "clear loop" to a trigger
1) when i feel i'm ready to record a loop, i press* the trigger
2) if i screw up while recording a loop, i press* the trigger again

* actually, press-and-release, so trigger

in case of 1), i expect the recording to start at next bar, record next 8 bars, and stop.
in case of 2), since i'm already recording a loop, i expect the recording to record another 8 bars after current loop ends, and stop. so, if the record was already depressed and then pressed again, the new "record" command should apply to the next loop, not the current one.

to illustrate:

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all of the above being said, currently i can more-or-less get by with just keeping the trigger pressed while i record, and this seems to work as i expect. it's not ideal as i can't use my wah pedal in loops any more (because my leg is pressing the trigger), but it works for the majority of cases.

[Dirk Diggler]

I think you're trying to loop ableton style. It sounds like it's not accepting your assumption of 8 bars.
You'll need to mark the end as Vojtech suggests.

Also personally this is not at all how I choose to use live loopers. I want my loops to keep going after I create them. Stopping them right after I record them makes no sense in my work flow.

It sounds like what you want to do can be achieved by your DAW.

And one last thing, this is the Beta version you're talking about, I never assume any Beta version is going to be completely functional.

Good luck,
Dirk

[Burillo]

I think you're trying to loop ableton style. It sounds like it's not accepting your assumption of 8 bars.
You'll need to mark the end as Vojtech suggests.

8 bars is not an "assumption", it's a setting - both individual tracks and looper in general has a "default loop length" that i've set to 8 bars. if it's not going to be respected, why is it there?

Also personally this is not at all how I choose to use live loopers. I want my loops to keep going after I create them. Stopping them right after I record them makes no sense in my work flow.

i'm not saying the looper should stop playing - i'm saying recording should stop at the end of the loop when i depress record button, and switch to playback (and if the record button is kept pressed, the looper should obviously keep recording).

It sounds like what you want to do can be achieved by your DAW.

not with my DAW. maybe it could be achieved in Live, but Live has other issues that prevent me from using it in my setup.

And one last thing, this is the Beta version you're talking about, I never assume any Beta version is going to be completely functional.

This applies to 14 as well, only it has a different set of issues. i initially wanted to created this topic about version 14, but since version 15 is the future, i might as well make sure that it gets everything right from the start.

[Dirk Diggler]

I didn't even know there was a default loop length, and never used it. I never know the length of the loop until I'm done recording. So perhaps that is a bug for you.

Recording stops at the next bar when I press record the second time (mark end) every time I use it.

Any DAW that can record will be able to record an 8 bar loop.

Sadly that is one of the problems with being a Beta tester. And for your concerns it does make better sense for you to worry about the future versions.

Good luck,
Dirk

[MeldaProduction]

Aaaaha, it's the default bars indeed. It sets the loop length correctly, but allows stopping in the next bar anyways. I suppose in your case it makes sense to stop only after the n bars. I'll think about that. It's a spiderweb...