Poll : Would KVR benefit from a video tools forum?

[vurt]

ill hold you to that!

[Shabdahbriah]

well just so long as no one expects "awesome" from me
im just after "more interesting than static photo" and not looking for "look at me doing stuff" i do not have an image for presenting

most of you will probably be eye rolling as i get over excited with various fx

Eye rolls will only be deserved if you can't fit your topic in the correct Video Forum.

Oh crap... I hadn't thought of that.

... I'm an arteest man, an ARTEEST!

[codec_spurt]

kjh

[pekbro]

Subdivision modeling is tough, i can do the sculpture type with a pen because I can draw, but subd not so much. That guy Taron from the synth challenges is crazy good at it, prob there are still some of his tutorials on line somewhere, though I think hes over the 3D thing.

[Shabdahbriah]

Subdivision modeling is tough, i can do the sculpture type with a pen because I can draw, but subd not so much. That guy Taron from the synth challenges is crazy good at it, prob there are still some of his tutorials on line somewhere, though I think hes over the 3D thing.

Yep, that would be the 'MaCrea material creation tool', Taron. He was heavily into Sculptris (ZBrush freebie), and the projectmessiah (Messiah Studio) from the start.

...small world.

[pekbro]

Subdivision modeling is tough, i can do the sculpture type with a pen because I can draw, but subd not so much. That guy Taron from the synth challenges is crazy good at it, prob there are still some of his tutorials on line somewhere, though I think hes over the 3D thing.

Yep, that would be the 'MaCrea material creation tool', Taron. He was heavily into Sculptris (ZBrush freebie), and the projectmessiah (Messiah Studio) from the start.

...small world.

Yeah, pretty sure he also did the crap demon in that Alanis Morissette movie Dogma.

[whyterabbyt]

Thanks for the link to Silo. I remember using that for a while years ago. Good to see it still around. Decent modeler for noobs like me. Powerful. Shame it's only winX. I was considering it, but...

Ive found it pretty handy as a basic modeller, just so I can sketch stuff out, and, erm, do basic modelling, which is about as much as I can do. Plus it now has GoZ, which is nice if you're someone who can drive ZBRush(*) and want to create quick base meshes for sculpting on.

(* ie not me.** )

That Milo renderer looks very interesting as well.

Personally, Im not really that interested in Milo, I kinda feel that if I wanted to render in Unreal, I'd do it directly. And for me it doesnt justify buying Silo all over again (there's no upgrade if you bought the Steam version).
That Steam price seems 'right' to me regarding functionality/age.
Im still torn about continuing to use it versus just getting my head around Reaper, erm Blender.

(** I have started trying to learn it, but until I have that eye-hand thing going on a bit better, Im just noodling with the free version ZBrushCoreMini and now I can do lumpy blobs with the best of them. Erm, yeah.
Anyway ZBrushCoreMini (the cutdown version of the cutdown version of ZBrush!) has replaced Sculptris, its actually ZBrush-derived, and the newer version is much more viable as a jumping off point for sculpting, and a viable route to starting to learn ZB itself)

[whyterabbyt]

Silo or Milo are both worth the price of admission for that price. Both together is great value. Any idea on a basic spec machine for getting the most out of them? I'm assuming a half-decent graphics card would be a must. Had a quick look but the info isn't very clear on their site.

Minimum spec for the Steam version is listed as

Minimum:
OS: Windows 7 or better
Processor: 1 GHz
Memory: 512 MB
Hard disk space: 20 MB
Video Card: Graphics card supporting 1024 x768 x 16-bit color and OpenGL
64BIT ONLY

I honestly cant see the new version features adding that much to it, as Silo has a relatively low maximum poly limit.

Milo is built in Unreal Engine, and capable of doing VR, so I'd imagine you'd be talking about the spec of a mid-level gamer system, max 5 years old?

[pekbro]

Silo or Milo are both worth the price of admission for that price. Both together is great value. Any idea on a basic spec machine for getting the most out of them? I'm assuming a half-decent graphics card would be a must. Had a quick look but the info isn't very clear on their site.

Minimum spec for the Steam version is listed as

Minimum:
OS: Windows 7 or better
Processor: 1 GHz
Memory: 512 MB
Hard disk space: 20 MB
Video Card: Graphics card supporting 1024 x768 x 16-bit color and OpenGL
64BIT ONLY

I honestly cant see the new version features adding that much to it, as Silo has a relatively low maximum poly limit.

Milo is built in Unreal Engine, and capable of doing VR, so I'd imagine you'd be talking about the spec of a mid-level gamer system, max 5 years old?

Can't you just get free educational licenses for anything? I always thought that was one of
the best perks of being an educator.

[whyterabbyt]

Can't you just get free educational licenses for anything? I always thought that was one of
the best perks of being an educator.

There are education licenses for some stuff, but no, not everything, not by a long chalk. It also varies a lot between what's available to staff and students, and the institution. And although there was a bit of a point where a lot of them made it easier for us during 'the big lockdown' there's also a lot of variance in whether institutional licenses can be used by staff/students at home, and many of those schemes are now ended.

The education license for a student for ZBrush, for example, is a 50% discount, but that's still £400. As an institution we have floating licenses, but no way to allow and control 'at home' usage of that.

There's no education license that I can see for eg Silo, so that's still full price.

Anything Autodesk is free for students.

Anything Adobe is basically a cheaper CC subscription for staff and students, unless the institution pays for 'at home' licenses for them. But that doesnt necessarily include all of CC.

Foundry do a bundle of their applications, which they give the institution for their students on a 2:1 ratio of the number of licenses the institution pays for. Or, if the institution doesnt have any licenses, the bundle is £160 a year. But if your institution has 20 licenses for students, and you're student 21, there's no mechanism for getting one yourself. And if you're staff, the bundle is £160 a year.

etc etc.

[Double Tap]

I'd find a video/visual forum very interesting and useful if it helped show some pathway for a total beginner: how to get started, where the resources are for learning, what you need, what people do with it and all that. It would probably drive a lot of traffic here too I expect. CDM seems to cover visual software and VJing a few times a month and I never have a clue what it means.

[pekbro]

Can't you just get free educational licenses for anything? I always thought that was one of
the best perks of being an educator.

There are education licenses for some stuff, but no, not everything, not by a long chalk. It also varies a lot between what's available to staff and students, and the institution. And although there was a bit of a point where a lot of them made it easier for us during 'the big lockdown' there's also a lot of variance in whether institutional licenses can be used by staff/students at home, and many of those schemes are now ended.

The education license for a student for ZBrush, for example, is a 50% discount, but that's still £400. As an institution we have floating licenses, but no way to allow and control 'at home' usage of that.

There's no education license that I can see for eg Silo, so that's still full price.

Anything Autodesk is free for students.

Anything Adobe is basically a cheaper CC subscription for staff and students, unless the institution pays for 'at home' licenses for them. But that doesnt necessarily include all of CC.

Foundry do a bundle of their applications, which they give the institution for their students on a 2:1 ratio of the number of licenses the institution pays for. Or, if the institution doesnt have any licenses, the bundle is £160 a year. But if your institution has 20 licenses for students, and you're student 21, there's no mechanism for getting one yourself. And if you're staff, the bundle is £160 a year.

etc etc.

Hmm, well bummer.

[whyterabbyt]

Hmm, well bummer.

most of our software licenses are floating, though, so using anything we have while onsite is easy enough. offsite usage less so, although its a lot better than it was in March 2020!
but yeah, licensing is complex, and one of my least favourite parts of my job.

there is some stuff we get, though (Adobe CC, anything Autodesk etc) and i guess the actual option for getting other software free if you're staff is getting the institution to pay for your own license. but that would have to be justified on teaching or research grounds, neither of which particularly apply to me for anything 3D. I do sign off on the ProTools license for myself though.

[whyterabbyt]

anyway, back to video.

courtesy of the MFB VD-01 module I just acquired, I now have a 'oscilloscope' -ish video output from my modular, which is hooked up to a laughably crappy £30-off-ebay 'mini projector' on an anglepoise type stand that aims it at the modular.
almost invisible in any daylight, but kinda fun.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

If this includes learning how to e.g. make (fancy) YouTube vids to your tunes, I am all in. Sooner or later I am going to need some generous posters to teach me that too, just like some have taught me about mixing and mastering in the music cafe already. Would be nice with a likewise dedicated forum. Thumps up