Should the percussion elements be in the same key as the song?
- KVRAF
- 2990 posts since 31 Jan, 2020
You can do, but you don't necessarily have to, it's upto you.
- KVRAF
- 18337 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Right. Many drums actually vary quite a bit in terms of having a root tonal center. What I do is I listen to each sound in isolation and if I notice it doesn’t sound right, I manually tune it until it sounds right to me. I never bother looking at actual frequencies in an analyzer. That said, I often notice in amateur music (and even sometimes in professional releases) that there’s a clashing drum or percussion element and it drives me nuts.cron wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:08 pm You're likely to get 100 different valid answers here.
For me it comes down to function. Does your sound have a stable tonal centre and, if so, are you using it as a tonal element? I can't really see any application for (or even envision strongly tonal variations of) hi-hats and claps, but for long 808 kicks or distorted 909s that pull double duty as bass instruments/anchors, or certain snares like the very high pitched 'water drip' snares in some late-10s EDMs, perhaps it does and perhaps you are.
My gut feeling is that if you can't hear a tonal clash (or indeed hear an obvious tone) then it doesn't need to be tuned, or 'tuning' it is more a matter of getting it to sit in the mix.
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- KVRian
- 545 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
Not necessarily... I rarely do it myself.
But if you've a long tail, on an analog drum that sounds like a note, like an 808 or some such then probably.
But if you've a long tail, on an analog drum that sounds like a note, like an 808 or some such then probably.
- KVRist
- 34 posts since 15 Feb, 2021
I guess there is a lot of choice in the matter, but I need to train my ears to work out what makes sense. Still, not deviating too much from the way it was recorded is a great tip.
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I actually do choose toms KIND OF for pitch or really how it fits with the rest, and the ring of the snare, even, should clash 'a certain way' or even seem 'consonant' or outstanding in a 'musical' way. But there's no real facile explanation or description, it's all contextual.
The Indian tabla definitely are tuned to pitch.
upshot is: use yer ear, make it sound right to you
The Indian tabla definitely are tuned to pitch.
upshot is: use yer ear, make it sound right to you
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- KVRist
- 177 posts since 22 May, 2020
Definitely, if it presents a steady pitch at all.
Some technically non-pitched percussion can still emit a fairly clear tone depending on how and where it's hit. Some of them just do it all the time. You see this with some electronic kicks, but it can be a big issue with frame drums and the like.
I have a frame drum which tends to hover around an A note if you watch it on a tuner and I have to tune some samples I use.
The sample I used as a "kick" on my Faun cover on YouTube hits a pretty clear C#, but the song is in D, so I had to pitch shift it and let me tell ya...it sounds a lot better now.
Some technically non-pitched percussion can still emit a fairly clear tone depending on how and where it's hit. Some of them just do it all the time. You see this with some electronic kicks, but it can be a big issue with frame drums and the like.
I have a frame drum which tends to hover around an A note if you watch it on a tuner and I have to tune some samples I use.
The sample I used as a "kick" on my Faun cover on YouTube hits a pretty clear C#, but the song is in D, so I had to pitch shift it and let me tell ya...it sounds a lot better now.
- KVRian
- 527 posts since 4 Dec, 2019
I don't know much about anythingChr!s wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:47 am The sample I used as a "kick" on my Faun cover on YouTube hits a pretty clear C#, but the song is in D, so I had to pitch shift it and let me tell ya...it sounds a lot better now.
Other sounds like claps don't really have a pitch, do they? If synthesized, they are often just made of small bursts of white noise.
And then with those instruments that only "kind of" have a tonal center/pitch... it really depends. Sometimes you want an instrument to further support your song harmonically, sometimes you want to create some tension/disharmonic contents...
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- KVRist
- 351 posts since 20 Sep, 2018 from UK
If it sounds good to you, that's all that matters.
I think the best suggestion is to a/b comparison.
This is what I do, and no, the drums don't absolutely need to be in the key of the track you are making.
I think the best suggestion is to a/b comparison.
This is what I do, and no, the drums don't absolutely need to be in the key of the track you are making.