Soundtoys are they now overated? My thinking is...

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KVRAF
5444 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Post Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:20 am

I think that Soundtoys still gets a very high rating from many people, and not without reason. However, there is an alternative for almost everything and sometimes the alternatives are at least not much worse. I would say that today you hardly have plugins that are so extremely praised that you could say they are overrated.

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KVRian
895 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:40 am

v1o wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:42 am
Listen to any Tchad Blake record like the Black Keys or Arctic Monkeys - they have the Soundtoys sound all over them.
Do you have an example song or sound you are referring to here?

Would love to take a listen and see if I agree. I can't particularly think of anything that makes me go.. Ah - they must have used soundtoys...

KVRist
155 posts since 27 Jun, 2019

Post Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:55 am

_leras wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:40 am
v1o wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:42 am
Listen to any Tchad Blake record like the Black Keys or Arctic Monkeys - they have the Soundtoys sound all over them.
Do you have an example song or sound you are referring to here?

Would love to take a listen and see if I agree. I can't particularly think of anything that makes me go.. Ah - they must have used soundtoys...
I was just working on a rock record with a well known producer and for what it’s worth, he’s also a big fan of the soundtoys stuff and used filterfreak quite a lot when we were working. Devil loc was used a lot too.

I personally think Soundtoys may be a bit underrated because of the age of the plugins. The GUI may be “outdated” but each and every plugin is A+ in my book (the sound).

I just wish they added a dedicated compressor and better eq options. As well as a more versatile reverb. Outside of that no complaints from me!

I’ve sold my bundle before and every time I regret it because trying to find replacements for crystalizer or recreate some of those weirder effects, is just a pain in the backside.

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102 posts since 23 Jul, 2021

Post Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:19 am

Life would not be as good without echoboy.

KVRist
52 posts since 8 Dec, 2018

Post Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:18 pm

They built up a lot of goodwill years ago by giving away free plugins and nice discounts when upgrading to the bundle. The problem is this generosity basically ceased a few years ago and so the value of their bundle needs a re-assessment. There are plenty of other bundles I'd sooner get, notably Arturia's FX bundle.

KVRist
52 posts since 8 Dec, 2018

Post Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:19 pm

SoftSynthLover99 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:55 am
_leras wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:40 am
v1o wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:42 am
Listen to any Tchad Blake record like the Black Keys or Arctic Monkeys - they have the Soundtoys sound all over them.
Do you have an example song or sound you are referring to here?

Would love to take a listen and see if I agree. I can't particularly think of anything that makes me go.. Ah - they must have used soundtoys...
I was just working on a rock record with a well known producer and for what it’s worth, he’s also a big fan of the soundtoys stuff and used filterfreak quite a lot when we were working. Devil loc was used a lot too.

I personally think Soundtoys may be a bit underrated because of the age of the plugins. The GUI may be “outdated” but each and every plugin is A+ in my book (the sound).

I just wish they added a dedicated compressor and better eq options. As well as a more versatile reverb. Outside of that no complaints from me!

I’ve sold my bundle before and every time I regret it because trying to find replacements for crystalizer or recreate some of those weirder effects, is just a pain in the backside.
Eventide Crystals seems like a good replacement for Crystallizer.

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KVRian
675 posts since 19 Jan, 2008

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:32 am

They are not overated, but they are replaceable. For me Valhalla Delay is good replacement for EchoBoy, love their copy protection compared to Sound Toys, for example.

KVRist
38 posts since 7 Jan, 2021

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:44 am

SoftSynthLover99 wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:55 am
I personally think Soundtoys may be a bit underrated because of the age of the plugins. The GUI may be “outdated” but each and every plugin is A+ in my book (the sound).
This is what it’s all about: the sound. Ok, that’s very subjective, but with so many people saying the same, maybe it’s more like ‘obsubjective’. Bought the EffectRack here through KVR very recently and already fell in love with the sound. Man, just wish I had this earlier!
At the beginning of something beautiful...

KVRist
30 posts since 21 May, 2004

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:41 am

I wonder about the (lack of) pace from the development team. I feel like Bitwig has got to version 4 in the time that Soundtoys has released nothing new. That is not the sign of a thriving company, generally speaking. Of course they are small but many small developers release more and faster on a consistent basis.

Banned
102 posts since 23 Jul, 2021

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:13 am

Well, my thought is what should they do differently? I'm not sure specifically what they should do. Maybe something new? VST3?

KVRist
38 posts since 7 Jan, 2021

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:01 am

I don’t think they’re that ‘dormant’. Last update was March 2021. Ok, no new things, but still cleaning out bugs and make the plugins usable within current DAWs.

And about the ‘dated’ looks… does anyone has real complains about the looks of U-He’s Diva? It’s functional and sounds great. Just like SoundToys IMHO.
At the beginning of something beautiful...

Banned
102 posts since 23 Jul, 2021

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:31 am

Oddly enough, I'm testing "tape echoes" and dusted off my old favorite (echoboy) and it's just awesome :)

Been using verb more than delay lately.

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KVRist
487 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:07 am

They’re as good as anything out there. They haven’t done a new plug-in for a while, but they keep what they have up to date, and their plugs work very well indeed.

KVRAF
4387 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:17 am

Dust_NL wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:01 am
I don’t think they’re that ‘dormant’. Last update was March 2021. Ok, no new things, but still cleaning out bugs and make the plugins usable within current DAWs.

And about the ‘dated’ looks… does anyone has real complains about the looks of U-He’s Diva? It’s functional and sounds great. Just like SoundToys IMHO.
No - but at least it supports hidpi/retina resolution, and i use AIKO skin anyway - original skin was a big turnaway for me.

I didnt want to buy microtonic till now - now that it has skinning one of the 5 current supplied skins is so much more inspiring i’ll 100% buy it.
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KVRist
245 posts since 27 Nov, 2017

Post Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:27 am

dolomick wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:41 am
I wonder about the (lack of) pace from the development team. I feel like Bitwig has got to version 4 in the time that Soundtoys has released nothing new. That is not the sign of a thriving company, generally speaking. Of course they are small but many small developers release more and faster on a consistent basis.
I'd venture to guess nearly every major studio on the planet has Echoboy & Decapitator.

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