Has anyone noticed that most if not all free Melda production plugins break Cakewalk surround muting in the panner? I am wondering if the free plugins have some limitations, but we discovered that a couple of other manufacturer's plugins do the same thing. You can't delete the plugin and get it to work. You have shut down the program and restart it without the plugin.
We aren't sure who's doing what. I entered a support ticket to Cakewalk but I don't expect a solution.
Just curious.
Melda plugins break Cakewalk surround muting?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 43 posts since 26 Jul, 2021
Cakewalk support told me to try different versions of the plugins. If they are VST, try the 2 or 3 version. They said that usually helps. It’s not just Melda having an issue.
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122 - KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Well, if you can't delete the plugin to solve the issue, then it's by 99% a problem in Cakewalk. Hard to say.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 43 posts since 26 Jul, 2021
If there is anything I've learned it's that logic doesn't apply to DAWs.
Bad wording on my part. Deleting the plugin doesn't restore the speaker mute function. You can certainly delete the plugin.
I love the Melda plugins and will continue to use them but I am not in a position to get between Bandlab/Cakewalk and Melda over who's at fault. There are other manufacturer's plugins that don't work either which implies it's Cakewalk but I'm sure they can make a counter argument.
But thank you for replying. I do appreciate it.
Bad wording on my part. Deleting the plugin doesn't restore the speaker mute function. You can certainly delete the plugin.
I love the Melda plugins and will continue to use them but I am not in a position to get between Bandlab/Cakewalk and Melda over who's at fault. There are other manufacturer's plugins that don't work either which implies it's Cakewalk but I'm sure they can make a counter argument.
But thank you for replying. I do appreciate it.
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
- KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Ok, so you remove the plugin, and it DOES fix the problem, right? What is the "surround muting" then? I thought it's a bug, but it seems it's a feature 
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 43 posts since 26 Jul, 2021
I apologize. I didn't expect an official response from Melda to be a joke.
If I add a Melda plugin to a track in Cakewalk and bring up the surround panner, I can no longer click on a speaker and mute it or solo it. If I remove the plugin, the mute and solo still don't work. Their functionality is not restored.
I am trying to determine if this is a problem Melda knows about or not. Yes, the first thought is that Cakewalk is the problem and I totally agree that it appears that way but appearances are deceiving (I got tons of those.)
Cakewalk support is telling me to try a different version of the plug but considering just about every Melda plugin I tried breaks the mute/solo function I doubt going back a couple of versions or looking for older VST/VST2/VST3 plugins is going to change anything although "anything is possible."
What I was hoping to hear is one or more of the follow:
1. We're never seen that or heard anyone else mention it (which was my first question), and/or;
2. There is no reason for a Melda plugin to do that, or;
3. Oh crap, we tried it and you are right but the Melda plugin isn't doing anything wrong. or;
4. You know what, we see where we could be sending Cakewalk data and leaves it in a bad state where it can't recover even after you delete the plugin. Let us look into it.
5. Melda plugins are not intended nor able to work in a DAW configured for surround mixing.
6. Look, we've been complaining to Cakewalk for years about this and they just won't listen. They just sit there with spirals in their eyes!
I personally believe the issue is NOT Melda but I can't avoid asking. It's certainly plausible you could reply "yeah, we know about that but we can't fix it" for some totally reasonable reason. I have passed the same question to two other plugin manufacturers to see if they are aware of it.
I am trying to fix a problem and once again find myself stuck between my parents.
Again, thanks for any useful feedback. And I repeat, Melda plugins are my go-to plugins but I need to figure out if I need to look elsewhere if I am doing surround film 5.1 mixdowns.
If I add a Melda plugin to a track in Cakewalk and bring up the surround panner, I can no longer click on a speaker and mute it or solo it. If I remove the plugin, the mute and solo still don't work. Their functionality is not restored.
I am trying to determine if this is a problem Melda knows about or not. Yes, the first thought is that Cakewalk is the problem and I totally agree that it appears that way but appearances are deceiving (I got tons of those.)
Cakewalk support is telling me to try a different version of the plug but considering just about every Melda plugin I tried breaks the mute/solo function I doubt going back a couple of versions or looking for older VST/VST2/VST3 plugins is going to change anything although "anything is possible."
What I was hoping to hear is one or more of the follow:
1. We're never seen that or heard anyone else mention it (which was my first question), and/or;
2. There is no reason for a Melda plugin to do that, or;
3. Oh crap, we tried it and you are right but the Melda plugin isn't doing anything wrong. or;
4. You know what, we see where we could be sending Cakewalk data and leaves it in a bad state where it can't recover even after you delete the plugin. Let us look into it.
5. Melda plugins are not intended nor able to work in a DAW configured for surround mixing.
6. Look, we've been complaining to Cakewalk for years about this and they just won't listen. They just sit there with spirals in their eyes!
I personally believe the issue is NOT Melda but I can't avoid asking. It's certainly plausible you could reply "yeah, we know about that but we can't fix it" for some totally reasonable reason. I have passed the same question to two other plugin manufacturers to see if they are aware of it.
I am trying to fix a problem and once again find myself stuck between my parents.
Again, thanks for any useful feedback. And I repeat, Melda plugins are my go-to plugins but I need to figure out if I need to look elsewhere if I am doing surround film 5.1 mixdowns.
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Starship Krupa Starship Krupa https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=337746
- KVRist
- 303 posts since 13 Sep, 2014
Have you approached the Cakewalk developers in the last few years since BandLab took over? They are way more responsive and quick about fixing issues than back when Gibson or Roland owned the brand. A thing to remember is that there is no company "memory" of issues between the Gibson times and the present, so if you complained about it 4 or 5 years ago, there is now a new company.
The first thing to do is contact support, which it sounds like you have done, I hope in the modern era (started April 2018). If they don't offer a solution that works (they gave you good advice, but it sounds like both the VST3 and VST2 versions of the plug-ins have the same behavior?), then the thing to do is post on the Cakewalk support forum in the Feedback section. The developers watch the forum and often participate.
The first thing to do is contact support, which it sounds like you have done, I hope in the modern era (started April 2018). If they don't offer a solution that works (they gave you good advice, but it sounds like both the VST3 and VST2 versions of the plug-ins have the same behavior?), then the thing to do is post on the Cakewalk support forum in the Feedback section. The developers watch the forum and often participate.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 43 posts since 26 Jul, 2021
I both posted on the forum (to crickets) and emailed support. Support said to try other versions of the plugins because that usually helps. That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I asked support to actually try it. Take some of their favor plugins and try muting and soloing the speaker in the surround panner. Crickets.
It's not just Melda plugins. Other well known vendors break surround too. I get that Cakewalk is at the mercy of vendors following the standards correctly (and vice versa) AND surround is a dead audio language so they may not want to spend any time on it.
It's not just Melda plugins. Other well known vendors break surround too. I get that Cakewalk is at the mercy of vendors following the standards correctly (and vice versa) AND surround is a dead audio language so they may not want to spend any time on it.