How do I get started with composing?

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
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KVRAF
13016 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Post Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:10 am

jancivil wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:01 am
the OP has left the building tho
Not left KVR as such (Last active: Sun Aug 01, 2021 07:27)
Probably no regrets as well for the first 5 threads started, because all is fair and permitted to get access to the Buy&Sell section.

Now you guys may continue...

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KVRAF
22757 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:09 pm

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:54 pm
you stay out of diatonics and leave no competition for me to worry about
not that I think of music as a competitive sport but
Prelude
has its straw in your milkshake

it must be 'diatonic', everything can be explained as relating to a tonic and there's no chromaticismz
"Major seventh means yer in love" - Zappa

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KVRian
688 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:55 am

jancivil wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:09 pm
not that I think of music as a competitive sport
Sure? :D
Prelude
has its straw in your milkshake
Yeah, that I can cope with. Lovely painting here. Wow-derful.
Tribe Of Hǫfuð https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154 "First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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addled muppet weed
82381 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:19 am

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:55 am
jancivil wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:09 pm
not that I think of music as a competitive sport
Sure? :D
used to be in the 'lympics

KVRAF
22757 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:37 am

there are competitions, the way concert pianists make their name for instance.
I considered very briefly entering on at CCM, it would have been quite some self-humiliation (by then my instrument had been ripped off due to my locker mate's negligence so I wasn't making enough sound, let alone the chances for a guitarist back then, besides the reality that I wasn't that good. few places even had a guitar program in 77-78.

KVRAF
22757 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:53 am

TribeOfHǫfuð wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:55 am
Lovely painting here. Wow-derful.
thenk you veddy much

people assume avant-garde people can't do pretty. It's not a big challenge really.

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KVRian
688 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:52 am

jancivil wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:53 am
It's not a big challenge really.
Then let it rain on us :harp:

My composition task ftm is to make sense of a guitar riff I insisted we recorded. Did a deal of work already, but found it was not strong enough for melody, so now my challenge is to make sense of it otherwise. Seems to point to an underlying rhythmical theme, which has to be counterpointed by a melody above. However, that means the melody still has to adapt somehow, and I do not fancy the suggestions by the theme so far. I got to be creative to make this puzzle work to my satisfaction. unrelate the underlying theme and melody as far as possible within the mode, it seems.
Tribe Of Hǫfuð https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154 "First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

KVRAF
22757 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:21 pm

I can relate. I did one recently that was to make sense of a hot mess, knowing it was a sort of misshapen blob but as a sort a dynamic in time was 'good enough' for something and it does kind of glue it all together in the background, which was the supposition. So I just committed to it, and did the thing. and these monstrosities do have pulse and time latent in there.

the thing I'm working on now is not pretty

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KVRian
688 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:44 am

jancivil wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 2:21 pm
I can relate. I did one recently that was to make sense of a hot mess, knowing it was a sort of misshapen blob but as a sort a dynamic in time was 'good enough' for something and it does kind of glue it all together in the background, which was the supposition. So I just committed to it, and did the thing. and these monstrosities do have pulse and time latent in there.
Yes, I actually remembered that you gave such an example when I had written the post due to a sense of deja-vu. However, I just nailed mine and allow myself to feel a little competent (self-reinforcement). It was no problem. Here theory comes handy. I knew what to do, but not how it would sound. Good to have a little pocket-Jeppesen/Palestrina at hand when it comes to separating melodies within a mode and give them individuality. We are dealing with florid counterpoint (5th species), all four species together, but with different emphasis: If one melody rely heavily on 8ths, you go 16th or 4ths with the other. You can use suspensions to avoid first species as much as possible (note against note), e.g. when one melody rests on a longer note, move the other, and vice versa. Use contrary motions as much as possible and avoid the direct/parallel/similar motions ditto. Palestrina I am not, but steal a few tricks from the masters, I can :D However, whole question was whether I could come up with a main melody I like, and I got one in ToH style using bagpipe samples. :party: Will be our next release, where it can be demonstrated in practise.
the thing I'm working on now is not pretty
Oh-oh, here we go again :roll: :hihi:
Tribe Of Hǫfuð https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154 "First rule: From one perfect consonance to another perfect consonance one must proceed in contrary or obligue motion." Johann Joseph Fux 1725.

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