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KVRAF
5771 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:56 am

Silo, a granular effect by Unfiltered Audio, can be used as a generative sequencer if you feed it any audio at a frequency of C (or anything else if you don't care) and then feed midi chords to Silo. It will then transpose each grain it generates with a random note from the midi input if you disable "Bypass Midi In" in the settings.
So more grains = more "notes" being played etc.
I currently have the output of my Neutron analog synth feeding into Silo and "play" a single C to the Neutron. Silo on the other hand is getting chords from Scaler 2 while I can twiddle the knobs of the Neutron...
Quite interesting to "play" live audio generatively this way :-)

Cheers,

Tom
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KVRist
43 posts since 15 Jun, 2018

Post Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:10 pm

I often wonder if MIDI routing in DAWs could be made easier. Having multiple clips on top of each other and routing one to the software instrument and another to an effect like SILO behind it. MIDI triggering effects will be much more common soon, but routing notes from another track works ok in some DAWs and is a PITA in others.

I'll definitely check SILO out!

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KVRAF
7455 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:02 am

jules99 wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:10 pm
I often wonder if MIDI routing in DAWs could be made easier. Having multiple clips on top of each other and routing one to the software instrument and another to an effect like SILO behind it. MIDI triggering effects will be much more common soon, but routing notes from another track works ok in some DAWs and is a PITA in others.

I'll definitely check SILO out!
Reaper’s the best from the ones I’ve used, lets you route from one track to multiple other tracks and define whether you send audio and/or MIDI to and from named MIDI channels (or just ALL). It helps that every track is a hybrid track and can be MIDI, Media, Audio etc.

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KVRAF
5771 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:05 am

In Bitwig it's very flexible.
I had notes from the track going into the "Hardware Instrument" device (sends out Midi to the Neutron and receives it's Audio back) on an instrument track.
Since Scaler 2 blocks audio, I had to put it into a "Note FX Layer" device after the HW-Instrument to let the audio through and after that I put Silo.
There also is the "Note Receiver" device that allows you to tap Midi from anywhere in the project, so in the worst case, one would need two Midi tracks and route the second one directly to Silo.

Since Bitwig does allow any factory or plugin device in any order, it's supercool for generative structures.
I haven't found any other DAW that is as flexible and at the same time as easy to use.

Only node based tools are more flexible, but at the cost of a less intuitive structure for making music (as much as I like them for things like 3D-graphics).

Cheers,

Tom
"Out beyond the ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there." - Rumi
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KVRAF
7455 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:25 am

Not for me, I use both and Reaper is way easier e.g. a track fed from multiple sources that sends to multiple sources just by dragging from the routes box rather than needing to use pretend instruments.

KVRian
772 posts since 8 Oct, 2019

Post Fri Jul 09, 2021 6:56 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:56 am
Silo, a granular effect by Unfiltered Audio, can be used as a generative sequencer if you feed it any audio at a frequency of C (or anything else if you don't care) and then feed midi chords to Silo. It will then transpose each grain it generates with a random note from the midi input if you disable "Bypass Midi In" in the settings.
So more grains = more "notes" being played etc.
I currently have the output of my Neutron analog synth feeding into Silo and "play" a single C to the Neutron. Silo on the other hand is getting chords from Scaler 2 while I can twiddle the knobs of the Neutron...
Quite interesting to "play" live audio generatively this way :-)

Cheers,

Tom
Really didn't think of that, but it's really cool, thanks for the tip.

Edit: I don't think I'm doing it right..

KVRAF

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5014 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA

Post Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:51 pm


KVRAF
1863 posts since 5 Oct, 2003

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:04 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:56 am
Silo, a granular effect by Unfiltered Audio, can be used as a generative sequencer if you feed it any audio at a frequency of C (or anything else if you don't care) and then feed midi chords to Silo. It will then transpose each grain it generates with a random note from the midi input if you disable "Bypass Midi In" in the settings.
So more grains = more "notes" being played etc.
I currently have the output of my Neutron analog synth feeding into Silo and "play" a single C to the Neutron. Silo on the other hand is getting chords from Scaler 2 while I can twiddle the knobs of the Neutron...
Quite interesting to "play" live audio generatively this way :-)

Cheers,

Tom
Hi Tom,

Thanks for posting this! I've been totally mesmerized by what this can do! It is amazing that it can mask the original sound audio content and add create new surprising musical sounds. I never want to stop experimenting with this. So much variety and so many gems. My favorite thing is just to play my keyboard, sometimes single note melodies and sometimes chords.

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KVRAF
5771 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:37 am

Ha - cool you guys dig it! :-)

@gondii: did you get it working?
Will mostly depend on your DAW and if and how you can route Midi to an effect.

Cheers,

Tom
"Out beyond the ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there." - Rumi
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KVRian
772 posts since 8 Oct, 2019

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:56 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:37 am
@gondii: did you get it working?
Will mostly depend on your DAW and if and how you can route Midi to an effect.
Yeah I just re-read your post a bit more carefully and apparently I get an "F" for reading comprehension. I didn't deactivate "Bypass Midi In". It's working now, time to experiment.

Edit: OK, I'm getting awesome results. Scaler into Midi into Silo with some Audio. It doesn't appear to be very necessary for the audio to be in just C, but I guess that really depends on what you're trying to achieve. Will try with my hardware synth later, but this is a lot of fun and creative. Thanks.

It doesn't appear to work with midi synths going into silo.

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KVRAF
5771 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:15 pm

:tu: Great you got it working.
Depending on your daw, you may have to see how you get different Midi to Silo than the midi synth if that is what you want.
Many instruments also block midi (for instance Absynth), in that case you have to find out how to get the midi "around" the synth.
In Bitwig you can do that by putting the synth into an instrument layer device.
Or placing a note receiver in front of Silo and grab the Midi from some non-blocking device (or some dummy) in front of the blocking synth.
This works as long as it doesn't create a feedback loop.

Cheers,

Tom
"Out beyond the ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I’ll meet you there." - Rumi
ScreenDream|Thomas Helzle 8) Twitter

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KVRAF
19857 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:36 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:05 am
In Bitwig it's very flexible.
I had notes from the track going into the "Hardware Instrument" device (sends out Midi to the Neutron and receives it's Audio back) on an instrument track.
Since Scaler 2 blocks audio, I had to put it into a "Note FX Layer" device after the HW-Instrument to let the audio through and after that I put Silo.
There also is the "Note Receiver" device that allows you to tap Midi from anywhere in the project, so in the worst case, one would need two Midi tracks and route the second one directly to Silo.

Cheers,

Tom
You can still do it in one track in Bitwig... cause you could have a midi clip with different midi notes on different channels. Then use the Note Receiver and Channel Filter/Mapper devices to send different notes from the single clip to different devices in that tracks signal chain.

KVRAF

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5014 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA

Post Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:19 pm


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KVRist
69 posts since 16 Dec, 2014

Post Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:51 pm

FYI Harvest released update 1.2 https://harvestplugin.com/

1.2.0 Patch Notes - 08/04/2021

Added Drag and Drop to VST and AU
Harvest now recalls its state when host's project file is saved and loaded
Bars knob now automatically adjusts the viewable area to fit
Added Sus2 Chord
"Minor" scale now refers to Natural Minor rather than Harmonic Minor
Note Selection now defaults to C Major scale
Rest Knob Level now defaults to 12 o'clock
Fixed graphical bugs when selecting preset note selections

(I bought through Plugin Boutique, who don't have 1.2 up yet. 1.1 was late to show up there as well)
Homebrew MSI Ryzen 3700x 32G RAM 4.5 Ghz, Win 10 Pro 21H1, Focusrite 2i2 v3 i/o, Alesis VX-49 kybd, ATOM pad, Biwig 3.4, Cakewalk, Studio One 5.x, FLstudio 20.x, everything 64 bit only.

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KVRAF
7455 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:22 pm

Kind of fun free web based object node MIDI sequencer and toolkit
https://www.midinous.com/

Benn Jordan is doing a live stream using it at the moment
https://youtu.be/Koq0Evfar7w

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