Chord relationship

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

As to the presumptions of the OP. That major is happy, minor is sad is a folklore tale. "Nothing compares to you" by Sinhead O Conner (Prince) is sad but nevertheless F major. Our own "Freya's Dance" is a very happy tune written in straight aeolian, natural minor.

https://soundcloud.com/user-228690154/freyas-dance

No sadness here, just joy. There are examples from classical music too, but I did not bother to check those I got with a search, so I will leave that to fmr to exemplify if needed. Now if you cannot determine the mood of a song from one chord, two chords are hardly going to make any difference. It is like saying that your novel will become a horror story more easily if you write it on black paper and fold it into two pages instead of one. Besides, people do not experience music in serial emotional outbursts that are correlated to the chord progression, but as a whole, a perceptual gestalt.

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I agree about the OPs response to Jan’s post. OP had more than a few hints that we did not eat due to the fact that it simply was rubbish from a disciplinary stand, and he deflected the answer by treating Jan (and thus all of us) as a newbie who just made an idiotic response. When people open a post, not with a question, but mainly the presentation of a Youtube vid of his own, based on his own music theory, you should be alert. No one, mod nor member, wants to see the place as a dumping ground for YT self promotion and pseudo-theory, right?

is there a rule against it? Because there is one about being offensive and he has the right to post it...for me it has nothing to do with what I want...follow the rules or expect consequences...most of us call that life. I would not be opposed to a rule against such videos but there are none now. There is one about being abusive...if you dont like what someone says you have the option to walk away, if you dont and you step over the line you made your choice, again not about me.

Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users. Flaming or abusing users in any way will not be tolerated and will result in your post being edited / deleted, and you may be issued with a warning and / or a ban.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

is there a rule against it?

Well, there is about spam in general, a report forum, so I guess it is a question of definition and of what quality you want the forum's advices to be. Surely, this ain't an academic playground only, but where is the lower limit, if people are not really here to ask, but to pose?

As to be abusive, I agree. No need for that. Musical astrology ain't the end of the world and can even be entertaining...to a certain degree depending on individual thresholds.

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but first we have to determine it was spam...this was likely someone who had no clue, was excited about his video and posted it.

I agree it is happening more in this forum, do me a favor...I got a meeting at work like every wed...think about your early school years some...why would there be an uptick of objectionable behavior toward an individual?

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

wed...think about your early school years some...why would there be an uptick of objectionable behavior toward an individual?

Yeah...well...I was a little frontal damaged then, so if the objectionable behavior was towards me, the uptick would likely be on me too rather than vice versa. Not all pupils fancy straight forward honesty in all situations as to what you think of them. Whatever you are trying to say, I am afraid I am a bad example

However, you are right that it is also likely that the poster did not have a clue. In either case, we agree that aggression is unnecessary. What is aggressive may be debated, tho, but I am not fit for that discussion. What is humor or not would more likely be in my department.

Now we have a 101 thread and there is actually a candidate around in the Still-don´t-get-modes-thread, which seems sincere. So you could move this and that to the forum for a start to clean up a little.

[shawshawraw]

Damn, it's funny how many people are here. About "sum of parts" Let's give a simple example, Am to Cm or just m iii m, doesn't it sound ominous? Cut a piece of video with an example you can see below
https://www.hashcut.com/v/xNg75RJ
I don't deny that melody is important too, and in general this whole topic is subjective, but look me in the face and tell me why, a borrowed chord, on the left side of the circle, sounds gloomy, not because of the distance between them?

Well, in this example you linked, the melody is key. Hear my playing:

https://vocaroo.com/1ayBXJMbk8yh

The chromatic walk of 5, b5, 4, 3, b3 on that Am is what gives me the "ominous" sound. That b5 note grabs my full attention, and when the Cm lands, that Eb stays as part of the melody, instead of the highest note G.

However, if I omit the melody, but play Am-Cm as what they're composed of, I'm hearing much less magic going on, and the perceived melody line Eb-G is not spicy at all.

(PS: there's a passing G chord when leading from Am to Cm if you want to talk chords. I didn't play it out in my link.)

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wed...think about your early school years some...why would there be an uptick of objectionable behavior toward an individual?

Yeah...well...I was a little frontal damaged then, so if the objectionable behavior was towards me, the uptick would likely be on me too rather than vice versa. Not all pupils fancy straight forward honesty in all situations as to what you think of them. Whatever you are trying to say, I am afraid I am a bad example

However, you are right that it is also likely that the poster did not have a clue. In either case, we agree that aggression is unnecessary. What is aggressive may be debated, tho, but I am not fit for that discussion. What is humor or not would more likely be in my department.

Now we have a 101 thread and there is actually a candidate around in the Still-don´t-get-modes-thread, which seems sincere. So you could move this and that to the forum for a start to clean up a little.

In my car on phone waiting for Ash at his biweekly tshot...the problem isn't you...it isn't me...I know you get it...and what I was trying to say is there is no doubt in my mind that trolls are playing here because it gets that same reaction from the same source...that's why there has been an increase...it isn't the first time either

[fmr]

I think the problem with this forum is that there are a lot of naïve "sorcerer apprentices" posting here, thinking they discovered the wheel or the fire, and more experienced people tend to react with some kind of harsh disagreement. I think I wasn't particularly harsh, but if I somehow offended the OP, I here apologize (but I don't withdraw my criticism).

This lack of knowledge spreading is becoming a plague, especially in places like YouTube, with lost of pseudo-knowledgeable guys publishing pseudo-teaching videos.

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"trolls are playing here because it gets that same reaction"
could be, I actually have kind of dark moments like that and wonder if, after a few of these spectaculars KVR has a rep as a place to f**k with people.
I don't suppose I fully grasp what a troll wants out of the thing. Guess what? I really don't care.

Tritave Guy was doing it everywhere there is on the 'net to make a big stink with that in all likelihood, it was the exact same post at the actual music theory *forum*. KVR as a "support forum"? is that a fact. AFAICT it's a forum for people to hang out and waste time, and be exposed to advertisers related to digital audio, plugins and hosts and that, with a few side ventures like 'music theory' or "DIY" or hardware. I'm supportive anyway though, not here seeking approbation or getting some ego stroke. Where I come from people trying to get over faking shit are begging to be ridiculed.

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so I just went back and looked, I got no objection to what you wrote at all...you weren't out of line

Here's what happened, I was responding to tribe where he joked about using the new thread I put as a sticky as an hpc place for this forum, I actually deleted it and we had a discussion about it...there was a slight interruption, but the discussion continued and I think we worked it out well.

What I am talking about is personal attacks, you statements, like in another thread (in another post I mistakenly said it was the et thread, it was not it was in a different one) where a new member came in, got attacked and stated he was offended simply because he was asking a question. How does this align with KvR? I can get Music Theory forums that are dedicated to just that being this way but we are not that, we are inclusive, we have a broader scope and invite a wider range of members and with that comes some patience.

Calling bullshit is fine of course, using you statements as attacks is not of course because it just leads to defensiveness and bitterness, not resolutions to the music theory questions...I dont know why people dont get this...talk about the point, dont call people names and ftr you didnt, ty.

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As to the presumptions of the OP. That major is happy, minor is sad is a folklore tale. "Nothing compares to you" by Sinhead O Conner (Prince) is sad but nevertheless F major.

that quality of thought is basically Nigel Tufnel "D Minor, really the saddest of all keys, innit"
So many people take Watermelon in Easter Hay as so profound 'this is what I want played at my funeral' and his son cries while playing a lot, it's A to E and Ionian mode.
It's what you do with material, these things have no moment in isolation as abstractions.

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KVR as a "support forum"? is that a fact.

many devs/companies have support forums here

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at the time this was deemed to require extraordinary moderator input there were no you statements in attack.
AFAIFC this shite "but look me in the face and tell me why, a borrowed chord, on the left side of the circle, sounds gloomy, not because of the distance between them? "

is IME the low point of the discourse. By this point I had lost interest.

There is no music theory or real reason for 'gloomy' there. Am to Cm by itself might simply be "dull", I don't know why it must have a particular affect per se. I think that's just very naive.

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it was between me and tribe and we worked it out

[jancivil]

Actually I only heard about KVR because it was where the support forum for BFD (1) was located. I remember being confused.