Charlie Watts Dies at 80 (1941-2021)

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'bye Charlie

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The original member was kicked out of his own band in 1969.
Who left in 85?
Bill left in 1991, I think.

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to pursue a life of metal detecting!


rip charlie.

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The original member was kicked out of his own band in 1969.

Who was that?

Who left in 85?

Ron Wood joined in 85, presumably after Mick Taylor left.
There's an interview with the stones on Front Row (Radio4) right now.

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The Stones began when Brian Jones put an advert in the newspaper looking for other musicians. It was his band until Loog-Oldham stuck Jagger and Richard in a room to write a song. Jagger-Richard fired him in '69, he died shortly thereafter.

Wood joined in '75. Taylor left in '74 after It's Only Rock n Roll.

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Thanks Bombadil ... never heard of Loog-Oldham before.
According to Ron Wood he was at the table when Mick Taylor resigned. Jagger asked him to join almost immediately, but he needed time to think about it coz he was already in The Faces.

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The first album Wood may have been on is Black and Blue, though I'm not sure. I think his first appearance on a Stones album was Love You Live in '77. His first studio album was Some Girls, unless he played on a couple of B&B numbers. Only song on that I really liked was Hand of Fate. Brian was great at adding exotic instruments during the mid-60's. Taylor's guitar playing was on a whole different level, and he's on record saying he preferred the Beatles. He thought the Stones were similar to a garageband when he joined. He wasn't impressed.
Next to the Beatles, the Stones were one of my original influences as well, so I know a fair bit about them. I remember their songs from my childhood, like Lady Jane, Tell Me, and lots of others. My older brother was listening to them and playing covers in a band and I soaked it all up.
My favourite era of theirs is from Beggar's Banquet to Exile on Main Street.
My brother saw them 3 times in their prime, the most notorious being the show in Montreal in 1972, where Quebec separatists blew up their equipment truck because 'British Invasion.' The Stones were quite late getting on stage after managing to get equipment. There was a riot of some kind, I believe.
I would've loved to have seen their live set at the El Mocambo Club in Toronto, 1977. The best side of Love You Live is the side with this set. They were tight, in a nice cozy club. Just as they were at the beginning, you hear their enthusiasm for playing to a small crowd.

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The Stones began when Brian Jones put an advert in the newspaper looking for other musicians. It was his band until Loog-Oldham stuck Jagger and Richard in a room to write a song. Jagger-Richard fired him in '69, he died shortly thereafter.

Wood joined in '75. Taylor left in '74 after It's Only Rock n Roll.

thats what I read in many books and interviews in the day, but recently there has been narrative saying it was Jones and Stewart, Oldham booted Stewart because he didnt fit the image of course, Stewart was always the 6th Stone...but as of late it's looking more and more like Stewart and Jones were together and found Jagger/Richards and the Jagger/Richards story was a better fit for the band's image....also Frank Thorogood confessed to murdering Jones on his own death bed...seems to fit.

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I didn't know that Ian was with Brian. Still, it was Loog-Oldham who pulled the strings.
As for the murder, a deathbed confession is convincing, but…
Brian really, afaik, just wanted to play the blues. Don't know if it's true, but he didn't do a lot on Satanic Magesties, the only really notable one is 2000 Light Years From Home. He, according to the story, hated the pop-psychedelia that the Stones were putting out. AFAIK, his slide guitar onNo Expectations was his last significant contribution to the band.
What a band. What a time.

As for Charlie, my fave beatz by him are Honkey Tonk Woman. That really lends a bawdiness to the song. Paint It Black and Gimme Shelter. Off the top of my head.

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theres no original beatles left...

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/orders popcorn

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theres no original beatles left...

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I didn't know that Ian was with Brian. Still, it was Loog-Oldham who pulled the strings.
As for the murder, a deathbed confession is convincing, but…
Brian really, afaik, just wanted to play the blues. Don't know if it's true, but he didn't do a lot on Satanic Magesties, the only really notable one is 2000 Light Years From Home. He, according to the story, hated the pop-psychedelia that the Stones were putting out. AFAIK, his slide guitar onNo Expectations was his last significant contribution to the band.
What a band. What a time.

As for Charlie, my fave beatz by him are Honkey Tonk Woman. That really lends a bawdiness to the song. Paint It Black and Gimme Shelter. Off the top of my head.

gimme shelter is hands down my favorite stones song, but not that studio version...too me live versions of that song are everything Mick Taylor, to me that is his swan song and MT is huge to me...ftr I have and hated that solo album he came out with and I am not really a fan of Ron Wood (or Rod Stewart for that matter) but image wise he is a better fit for the stones Cant imagine there was a chance Michael Schenker could have replaced MT

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Fresh evidence has come to light over the alleged murder of The Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones.

Jones died 50 years ago, when he was found dead in the swimming pool of his home at Cotchford Farm in Sussex.

Now, Jones’ manager has claimed the guitarist was “out of his mind” on the night of his death on July 3, 1969.

Tom Keylock makes the claim in a previously-unseen interview which will be shown in a new Netflix documentary about the conspiracy theories surrounding Jones’ death.

Keylock was interviewed by investigative journalist Terry Rawlings, whose book Who Killed Christopher Robin? is the basis for the Netflix documentary. Its title is a reference to Cotchford Farm having been the inspiration for AA Milne when he created Winnie The Pooh.

Rawlings interviewed Keylock in 2009, but his interview has remained unseen until now.

In the interview, Keylock is shown telling Rawlings: “What people don’t know is that very strong hash cakes were made. That’s why they were all stoned and they didn’t know what day it was.”

Official police reports say there were just three other people present on the night of Jones’ death: the guitarist’s girlfriend Anna Wohlin, Keylock’s girlfriend Janet Lawson and builder Frank Thorogood, who has been accused in several previous reports as responsible for Jones’ death.

Jones’ daughter Barbara Marion stated earlier this month (July 3) that she believes her father was murdered. She told Sky News: “I don’t think his death was investigated as it should have been.”

Former paratrooper Keylock admitted he was present on the night too, along with two other previously-undisclosed other guests. He told Rawlings: “Janet told me she didn’t remember anything, as she was out of her head. They all were. I was the only one who wasn’t stoned.”

According to Keylock, he was told by his brother Frank Keylock – a senior Scotland Yard CID officer – that Jones’ death was ordered to have been a cover-up because of mistakes by local police.

Keylock said: “I think the police wanted to make a manslaughter charge, but they were told to forget it. The only one who could possibly have been charged was Frank Thorogood, because he was the only one in the pool. But the police said ‘Just forget it’. The orders came from the very top not to pursue it anymore, and it never was pursued after that.”

It was alleged that Thorogood killed Jones in a dispute over money.

Jones paid Thorogood £18,000 for work on Cotchford Farm, the equivalent of £290,000 today. But it’s claimed Thorogood wanted another £6,000 (£67,000) from the guitarist.

Jones’ death was reopened by Sussex Police in 2009, following further fresh evidence from investigative journalist Scott Jones. But the 2009 report concluded that Jones’ death would not be reopened. Sussex Police said: “There is no new evidence to suggest that the coroner’s original verdict of ‘death by misadventure’ is incorrect.”

There is no transmission date as yet for Who Killed Christopher Robin?

https://www.nme.com/news/music/fresh-ev ... ry-2533208

We're coming up on the anniversary of Brian Jones' death. It was on July 3, 1969, at the age of 27, just weeks after being kicked out of the Rolling Stones, Jones was found dead in his swimming pool. The coroner famously ruled "death by misadventure." Well, a new documentary makes the argument that Jones was, if not murdered, then killed in an incident of manslaughter. According to the film, Jones’ killer was a man named Frank Thorogood, who had been renovating the guitarist’s home, and according to one account, confessed to killing Brian Jones on his deathbed. See the trailer above.

https://lonestar925.iheart.com/content/ ... -murdered/

1st one from 2019, second one 2020...plenty more
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=frank+thorogo ... 6-1&ia=web

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sympathy is my fave, was my fave to play in covers bands too.
not very well, admittedly, but you could get away with stones tracks being rough around the edges. do that with the beatles and everyone would point out where you messed up