Tips for working with very short notes in DAW?

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I should offer at this point that sliding loops about in a DAW is not really how we want to learn rhythm.

At least, I am glad am ancient enough to be from a time where we didn’t. We played percussion till our hands were but red lumps of pain, but we did learn rhythm lessons for life accordingly.

However, there is no hope when YT promotions go, “Even if you do not know anything about music theory, like me, this program is cool for you” or “When I process a loop, I want to make it my own” (aka twist a little and it is yours), and DAWs come with up to 40+ gb prefab loops. Like screaming that no one really has to learn and that this is a benefit to all of us.

[vurt]

my daw has no prefab loops?
i draw everything in the piano roll myself.
closest i have to prefab drums is some fills n stuff in kontakt.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Well, when I bought Logic Pro last summer, it came with 40 gb that it kept reminding me I had not downloaded. In the end I had to download them to an external disk to make it stop. Logic is deleted now. Reason has about 4-6 gb loops by default or so, and those I could delete without reminders. So, I have no loops either now.

[vurt]

I should offer at this point that sliding loops about in a DAW is not really how we want to learn rhythm.

indeed, tapping it out on a table would be preferable, if not on actual instruments, but as an example of what to listen for, best i got without doing it for him

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Actually, this was my percussion teacher back in the 90s. He must be dead now or above 90, which I find unlikely. This was one favorite tune we trained a lot. "Kalahari".6 against 4. He loved polyrhythmics. A real and competent person that could teach as well, not a stretched loop.

[vurt]

no one mentioned stretching a loop.
nor, have or would, i ever claim to be a teacher, of anything.
i offered a way for him to hear what was being discussed, nothing more

(i was talking midi in a drum machine, not moving a sample over)

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

Oh, I did not mean you in particular. It was just an elaboration on Jan´s comment, which I read as general.

[jancivil]

Cubase haz teh loops content but for a year or more now we're not forced to download it. the installer used to be ridiculous, 22GB, I forget.
Now it's under a gig here.

buncha Apple loops if Garageband is installed as well. I deleted all of it, including the incredibly useless Garageband.
Which used to be different. Apple lost the plot years ago, iTunes is just the front end to buying shit now, it's obnoxiously called "Music" today. You can't even convert anything in it except to AAC anymore.

[jancivil]

we tapped out Messiaen isorhythms and Elliot Carter Canaries on the desks in theory at CCM.


I was a kid drummer, I mastered Mary Mary by the Monkees at 11. I was not a particulary gifted drummer but...
it seems like I knew what that was before I had a kit. Weirdly I saw the very same kit I had then in a BFD expansion, the orange Kent kit in, Jim Scott or one of those. I didn't know it was that kind of desirable drum kit at 11 and 12. I only had one cymbal, but it was a Zildjian 20", a deep ride that could be a crash cymbal using the edge of it. besides the sock cymbal of course

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

I am not much advanced beyond polyrhythmics. Don’t use it myself so far. It’s either 4/4, 6/8 or 5/8. However, he did teach me to flow in odd signatures like 5 and 7. For example, first time I played The Plough and Sickle for my guitar player, he did not notice we were in 5/8. And he is a classical trained player.

[jancivil]

I had a really good teacher, he made me deconstruct a drum part, ie., write it out as parts, the hihat, kick, snare independently so I had a full sense of the whole and of the parts; which leads to thinking of drum kit writing as though contrapuntal.

The first time I played with professionals, I was... 14 or about to turn 14 iirc.
The leader taught me my place real quick, called a slow ballad in 5, and called for brushes. I had no clue where I was most of the tune.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

buncha Apple loops if Garageband is installed as well. I deleted all of it, including the incredibly useless Garageband.

Besides from reminding me to download the 40 gb loops, Logic Pro X would not let me delete the about 6 gb loop it came with. When I deleted them, it downloaded them at start. I went for solutions on the net and none applied but dowloading them to an external disk. It is like insisting that I should use Apple Loops under all circumstances What an insult to the concept of musical skills. Don't insist I use your crutches, when I can walk, run and jump on my own, thanks. Speak for yourself, Quasimodos

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

The leader taught me my place real quick, called a slow ballad in 5, and called for brushes. I had no clue where I was most of the tune.

You know, while 7 was a little popular and gimmicky (due to a rock tune, I do not recall), nobody came near 5 ever by their own interests. That was a thing between me and him only, and all because I had heard this "funny" Bollywood tune that was very danceable, but in five. I had to ask him how this was done, and his answer was simple but effective: "Watch your accents, Massa" and "make sure everyone can hear what drum is in charge of one" (a standard answer to everything time sig related). There are some cool claves hidden in it. Emphasis on 1 and 4, gives a nice bam-BAM (actually the Bollywood clave in question), while 1 and 3 reverse this emphasis. 1 and 2, and 1 and 5, work as well, but they lack some flow, imo. If you start with one of the former and repeat, your body will soon adapt (mine did at least) and you can start working with the subdivisions.

[jancivil]

well, I knew from Take Five, but this wasn't that. I also don't guess they had much of an arrangement going, but what do I know.
where is one

[jancivil]

Apple constantly harasses me to do the two-step verification, and even as I have automatic updates off, it makes me tell it remind me tomorrow, of something I may never do, which is far from trivial. It's the worst conceivable system except for all the others tried.