What's up at Plogue?

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KVRAF
3503 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver

Post Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 am

crickey13 wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:11 am
...and that it's a serial number activation.
Has there been talk of this? Every plogue synth I own uses an encoded png key file for activation.
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KVRist
484 posts since 27 Aug, 2020

Post Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:15 am

pough wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:13 am
crickey13 wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:11 am
...and that it's a serial number activation.
Has there been talk of this? Every plogue synth I own uses an encoded png key file for activation.
Or key file, yes, sorry about it, thought it was a serial activation. But yeah, I just want an offline activation, as I dislike C/R. Key file is fine.

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KVRian
936 posts since 25 Jan, 2017

Post Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:17 am

The DX7 plugin was hinted at a couple weeks ago.
Which would be the 3rd FM chipsynth out of 4 (the other one being PCM).
I was hoping it was going to be a PSG emulation, either for the Famicom or C64 :cry:

KVRian
770 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:23 am

There's so many dx emulations, I'd cry if that was it. Plogue stuff doesn't have the best UIs so I probably wouldn't use it over the Arturia one I already own.

Hoping desperately for it to be the NES/Famicom emulation. Chipsounds is not suitable for NES chiptune because it omits some modulations from the tracker/sequencer thing, like fine pitch I think it was. Some of the game sounds I tried to recreate, I was unable to do so. David said the NES specific synth wouldn't have the same issue.

Does Plogue allow license transfers? I haven't used chipsounds in about a year, since I found out it wasn't suitable for NES emulation shortly after buying.

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KVRAF
2059 posts since 28 Feb, 2015

Post Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:37 am

briefcasemanx wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:23 am
Does Plogue allow license transfers? I haven't used chipsounds in about a year, since I found out it wasn't suitable for NES emulation shortly after buying.
I would like to know this as well, but because of its microscopic GUI rather than what it does.
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KVRist
175 posts since 31 May, 2017

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:13 am

briefcasemanx wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:23 am
There's so many dx emulations, I'd cry if that was it. Plogue stuff doesn't have the best UIs so I probably wouldn't use it over the Arturia one I already own.
Arturia UI seems clunky/ugly as hell to me. Also no microtonality in that one. And i never trust anyone but Plogue actually nailing the exact quality.

Really hope that the DX is next. Yes, Plogue has 2 FM synths already but they are very different in sound and style from the DX7.

This is my most anticipated synth in a long time.

KVRAF
1778 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:03 am

^^ I agree. Plogues attention to detail is second to none.

KVRian
770 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:45 am

What are the inaccuracies with the Arturia version?

KVRist
146 posts since 5 Sep, 2011

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:10 am

Arturia is nowhere near Plogue's level of Chip emulation as you can see in multiple youtube videos, while Aturia's effort it's a good one and the synth a sure brings you to the ball park it's not bit accurate as Plogue synths are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMvGk_fcIo8&t=42s

The GUI is similar to Ableton's that it doesn't fit everybody but I sure love it as I do Ableton.

KVRian
770 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:41 am

I'm not even sure what bit accurate means. You can't test accuracy with every possible permutation of settings. Im also assuming that the analog stage is excised and somehow an accurate bitstream is sampled prior to the dac? I can't imagine the analog stages are being emulated.

Anyways, yeah the Arturia is a good emulation. No emulation including the Plogue will be perfect. NES should take precedent IMO because there's no good NES emulation synths available, although chipsounds is almost usable.
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KVRian
798 posts since 3 Aug, 2001 from Montreal

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:24 am

briefcasemanx wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:41 am
I'm not even sure what bit accurate means. You can't test accuracy with every possible permutation of settings.


Sure, but you can get statistically close, especially if you fuzz (randomize) settings and live compare a lot. If someone spots a differences between the real chip hardware and our emulations (and we actually can confirm it) we treat this as a bug. We then create new hardware tests, and re-run our regression suite on the whole thing making sure nothing is broken. I have videos covering that on my personal YT channel.

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David Viens, Plogue Art et Technologie Inc. Montreal.
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KVRAF
1784 posts since 1 Jun, 2003

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:11 am

it's been released, it seems, for anyone interested. 8) congratulations, plogue!

KVRian
770 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:24 am

Disappointed, but I'll still probably buy it. The wait for a proper NES vst continues. I hope the c64 doesn't come out first, since that's yet again something that already has a bunch of good emulations that exist on the market.

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KVRian
591 posts since 4 Jul, 2011 from UK

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:30 am


KVRian
988 posts since 1 Dec, 2004

Post Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:30 am

I gotta say, having had a hand in OPS7, I'm very happy how it turned out, so I hope you guys like it! (link)

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