Cubase Pro 11 How to pan mono track hard left or right There are no pan controls on mono tracks?

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KVRist
159 posts since 6 Mar, 2017

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 am

So I am working on a session for a friend who is also a client.
On a real board this is pretty standard stuff but for the life of me Cubase will not allow to do this.

I have 4 mono guitar tracks,
track 1 - guitar
track 2 - guitar (copy of track 1)
track 3 - guitar (played 1 octive lower than track 1)
track 4 - guitar (copy of track 3)

I need to pan Track 1 & 3 hard left and 2 & 4 hard right and these then go into a stereo gtr buss for processing.

Yesterday...
All 4 tracks are mono Wav files imported into cubase as mono audio tracks.
When first imported cubase showed the panners and I was able to set the pans.
I then selected all 4 and added a Group channel on the selected channels and again, I was able to set the group channels pan L & R.
I saved the session.

Today I have just opened it and there are no panning controls showing in the Gtr channels or Group channel.

I have been googleing for the last hour or so and I am unable to find an answer.

the panning of mono channels L & R is on every hardware desk I have ever used so whats up with Cubase?

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KVRAF
31166 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:43 am

Are the tracks still panned after re-opening the session? Is it possible the pan controls are hidden? (I don't know about Cubase, but Live has that option). Perhaps you have bypassed the panning? https://steinberg.help/cubase_pro/v10.5 ... ass_c.html

KVRist
221 posts since 18 Oct, 2003

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:08 pm

Is the group channel you sent these tracks to mono or stereo?

KVRAF
2530 posts since 30 Aug, 2012 from Sweden

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:47 pm

Broken wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:08 pm
Is the group channel you sent these tracks to mono or stereo?
He says it's a stereo buss but probably it is a mono by mistake. I have made that mistake a few times.

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KVRist
283 posts since 2 Sep, 2012

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:33 pm

Yes, probably be a mono group. Pan has always been there when sending mono tracks to a stereo group for me.

KVRAF
23278 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:43 pm

Making a mono group the output of a mono channel disappears the pan control for the origin; the group should show the pan control (simple balance control really). L-R is meaningless to the mono group channel until it is routed to a stereo output.

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KVRAF
10701 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:11 pm

event2020 wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 am
I have 4 mono guitar tracks,
track 1 - guitar
track 2 - guitar (copy of track 1)
track 3 - guitar (played 1 octive lower than track 1)
track 4 - guitar (copy of track 3)

I need to pan Track 1 & 3 hard left and 2 & 4 hard right and these then go into a stereo gtr buss for processing.
Stupid question perhaps, but isn't panning two otherwise identical tracks hard left and hard right respectively the same as just increasing the volume of single mono track?

"Mono" is by definition playing the same thing on both left & right speakers.
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KVRAF
23278 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:59 am

It is, but certain signals appear as though panned eg., Hard Left, that is when a mono recording is made onto a stereo channel. The pan mode on a mono signal in a stereo channel is not a real panner, it's a balance control (meaning the volume is turned down on the other side). Real, ie., 'power' panning (ie., in respect to pan law), is only a property of stereo channels.
So a straight guitar input, is mono - ie., the tip of the jack defaults to L to a stereo in - and insofar as this the DAW will print 'Hard Left'.
So if it's a new recording, just record the mono guitar input to a mono channel obviating this issue.
If it's a done deal and we're stuck w. a mono signal in a stereo channel w. signal being all on the left, a copy is made to compensate, @ "hard right".
Last edited by jancivil on Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:09 am, edited 1 time in total.

KVRAF
23278 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:08 am

another reason is to do artificial double-tracking and do some sum-and-difference (via delay) to get pseudostereo

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KVRAF
10536 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:08 am

event2020 wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 am
So I am working on a session for a friend who is also a client.
On a real board this is pretty standard stuff but for the life of me Cubase will not allow to do this.

I have 4 mono guitar tracks,
track 1 - guitar
track 2 - guitar (copy of track 1)
track 3 - guitar (played 1 octive lower than track 1)
track 4 - guitar (copy of track 3)

I need to pan Track 1 & 3 hard left and 2 & 4 hard right and these then go into a stereo gtr buss for processing.

Yesterday...
All 4 tracks are mono Wav files imported into cubase as mono audio tracks.

.../...

the panning of mono channels L & R is on every hardware desk I have ever used so whats up with Cubase?
Are you sure you created Mono Tracks with Stereo Outputs?
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KVRAF
10701 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:46 am

jancivil wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:59 am
It is...
That's what I wanted to know. Thanks! :tu:

I understand that sometimes a mono signal can be recorded only to left or right track of stereo track or that they'll start to differ when processed differently - that's obvious.

But so many times I've seen people advising others to duplicate a sound & pan them hard left & hard right to make them "phatter", then perhaps I though I might be missing something :)
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KVRist
283 posts since 2 Sep, 2012

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:06 am

jancivil wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:59 am
It is, but certain signals appear as though panned eg., Hard Left, that is when a mono recording is made onto a stereo channel. The pan mode on a mono signal in a stereo channel is not a real panner, it's a balance control (meaning the volume is turned down on the other side). Real, ie., 'power' panning (ie., in respect to pan law), is only a property of stereo channels.
So a straight guitar input, is mono - ie., the tip of the jack defaults to L to a stereo in - and insofar as this the DAW will print 'Hard Left'.
So if it's a new recording, just record the mono guitar input to a mono channel obviating this issue.
If it's a done deal and we're stuck w. a mono signal in a stereo channel w. signal being all on the left, a copy is made to compensate, @ "hard right".
Cubase also allows us to change that with the other stereo panning option. Dual panner or something like that, not at my DAW now. But that allows controlling each side separately, we get a slider eqch for left and right, you can move the left over to the right (or vice versa) with this, not just lower the level of it.

KVRAF
21338 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:42 am

event2020 wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 am
So I am working on a session for a friend who is also a client.
On a real board this is pretty standard stuff but for the life of me Cubase will not allow to do this.

I have 4 mono guitar tracks,
track 1 - guitar
track 2 - guitar (copy of track 1)
track 3 - guitar (played 1 octive lower than track 1)
track 4 - guitar (copy of track 3)
Without wanting to play Captain Obvious here, in Cubase mono tracks are really just mono and therefor in most cases are less than an ideal choice to begin with, as you can't achieve any stereo-processing on them directly.... (one could ask what's the point of mono-tracks anyway, historical reasons aside)

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KVRAF
10536 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:49 am

jens wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:42 am
event2020 wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:34 am
So I am working on a session for a friend who is also a client.
On a real board this is pretty standard stuff but for the life of me Cubase will not allow to do this.

I have 4 mono guitar tracks,
track 1 - guitar
track 2 - guitar (copy of track 1)
track 3 - guitar (played 1 octive lower than track 1)
track 4 - guitar (copy of track 3)
Without wanting to play Captain Obvious here, in Cubase mono tracks are really just mono and therefor in most cases are less than an ideal choice to begin with, as you can't achieve any stereo-processing on them directly.... (one could ask what's the point of mono-tracks anyway, historical reasons aside)
I think that's why he copied each track to another track, and wants to pan them hard-right and hard-left. :shrug:
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KVRAF
21338 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 am

Yes, I thought that might be the case, which is why I made that post.

One might assume that mono-tracks are the right choice for mono-sources and I wanted to make sure it is understood that this is not actually the case.
(As I said I have no real clue what mono-tracks are actually good for. I can't see what potential advantage they might offer, and in which situation. (I understand that at some point in the past they may have saved precious CPU cycles.))

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