Plogue OPS7 (bit-accurate DX7 emulation!)

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KVRAF
2456 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:34 am

Can anyone who's used this for a while (beta testers don't count, sorry) say how they get on with that UI? Judging by the videos it looks kind of uninspiring and 'techy' for want of a better word but maybe it's different when you actually use it. It sounds great though.

KVRAF
7611 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:40 am

I did compared 4 synths now. I won't say which one, but all are playing one preset from the original DX7 banks called "Strings1". Of course OPS7 is among them:
https://app.box.com/s/d7066yts9gws76s9xfvm8nzzua9i39mq

Just for few minutes maybe, then of course I will reveal which is which then give my overall opinion based only on the 32 presets of the original DX7 bank.

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KVRAF
10543 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am

EnGee wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:40 am
I did compared 4 synths now. I won't say which one, but all are playing one preset from the original DX7 banks called "Strings1". Of course OPS7 is among them:
https://app.box.com/s/d7066yts9gws76s9xfvm8nzzua9i39mq

Just for few minutes maybe, then of course I will reveal which is which then give my overall opinion based only on the 32 presets of the original DX7 bank.
All sound cheesy and horrible. I'm sold - I will buy... NONE :hihi:

Really, I don't get it. Can it at least emulate the DX7 II in that it can layer two sounds?

I can't understand what's the point of emulating a synth that even back tehn didn't sound that special, and was heralded mainly for a couple of sounds (namely the bass and the EP) and the fact that it had 16 voices of polyphony.

Anyone that could would purchase the TX816 instead, which was the real deal if one wanted a really powerful FM synth. Or the DX1...
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KVRist
456 posts since 9 Aug, 2017

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:55 am

Wow - very excited to try it. I won't buy just yet as I'm going on a trip and need the funds. Will do as soon as I can though as PortaFM is one of my favourite instruments and Plogue just continuously do the right thing to my ears. This looks amazing.

KVRAF
1652 posts since 19 Apr, 2003 from Copenhagen, Denmark

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:03 am

fmr wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am

Really, I don't get it. Can it at least emulate the DX7 II in that it can layer two sounds?

Anyone that could would purchase the TX816 instead, which was the real deal if one wanted a really powerful FM synth. Or the DX1...
It can layer two sounds!
From the website:
You will unleash vast FM landscapes in mere seconds, thanks to the dual-layer system seen only in the most expensive FM keyboards - the Yamaha DX1 and DX5 - giving your music a big, full, lush studio sound!
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KVRAF
10543 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:07 am

olepro wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:03 am
fmr wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am

Really, I don't get it. Can it at least emulate the DX7 II in that it can layer two sounds?

Anyone that could would purchase the TX816 instead, which was the real deal if one wanted a really powerful FM synth. Or the DX1...
It can layer two sounds!
From the website:
You will unleash vast FM landscapes in mere seconds, thanks to the dual-layer system seen only in the most expensive FM keyboards - the Yamaha DX1 and DX5 - giving your music a big, full, lush studio sound!
OK, bought it. For that price, what the hell - at least I can compare the Sys-Ex files with other synths I already have. :tu:
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KVRAF
7611 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:08 am

fmr wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am
EnGee wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:40 am
I did compared 4 synths now. I won't say which one, but all are playing one preset from the original DX7 banks called "Strings1". Of course OPS7 is among them:
https://app.box.com/s/d7066yts9gws76s9xfvm8nzzua9i39mq

Just for few minutes maybe, then of course I will reveal which is which then give my overall opinion based only on the 32 presets of the original DX7 bank.
All sound cheesy and horrible. I'm sold - I will buy... NONE :hihi:

Really, I don't get it. Can it at least emulate the DX7 II in that it can layer two sounds?

I can't understand what's the point of emulating a synth that even back tehn didn't sound that special, and was heralded mainly for a couple of sounds (namely the bass and the EP) and the fact that it had 16 voices of polyphony.

Anyone that could would purchase the TX816 instead, which was the real deal if one wanted a really powerful FM synth. Or the DX1...
I didn't bring it from my pocket! Also, my intention is not to impress you! It is a preset from the original bank played on 4 FM synths. It is not intended to be nice. Just to show some differences.

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KVRian
954 posts since 27 Mar, 2013

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:22 am

fmr wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am
EnGee wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:40 am
I did compared 4 synths now. I won't say which one, but all are playing one preset from the original DX7 banks called "Strings1". Of course OPS7 is among them:
https://app.box.com/s/d7066yts9gws76s9xfvm8nzzua9i39mq

Just for few minutes maybe, then of course I will reveal which is which then give my overall opinion based only on the 32 presets of the original DX7 bank.
All sound cheesy and horrible. I'm sold - I will buy... NONE :hihi:

Really, I don't get it. Can it at least emulate the DX7 II in that it can layer two sounds?

I can't understand what's the point of emulating a synth that even back tehn didn't sound that special, and was heralded mainly for a couple of sounds (namely the bass and the EP) and the fact that it had 16 voices of polyphony.

Anyone that could would purchase the TX816 instead, which was the real deal if one wanted a really powerful FM synth. Or the DX1...
I see it a bit similar. that said one needs to admit that when you do no use any presets from back then you can get great sounds out of the concept. but still not sure if I'm fond of having all the DAC and stuff emulated. Hoped that F'em would be the next enjoyable FM synth but it wasn't (too buggy when I tested it back then and some UI flaws). This could be something for the price.
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KVRAF
2285 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:50 am

fmr wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am
I can't understand what's the point of emulating a synth that even back tehn didn't sound that special, and was heralded mainly for a couple of sounds (namely the bass and the EP) and the fact that it had 16 voices of polyphony.

Anyone that could would purchase the TX816 instead, which was the real deal if one wanted a really powerful FM synth. Or the DX1...
That's not my recollection of the time. Everyone went ga ga over the DX7 when it came out. Here is Julian Colbeck on it a full 3 years after the launch of the DX7

"Never has such an instrument generated such fuss and bother. Not the Prophet 5. Not even the Minimoog"

and

"It all comes down to sound. And in this respect the DX7 simply sounds more alive, more natural and more expressive than any other instrument in the price bracket".

He also talks about the cut down DX9 "blowing away analogues at three times it's price".

At the same time the DX1 was £10,000 in 1984 and the TX816 was over £4,000. So except for a very few people it simply wasn't an option.

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Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:01 am

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Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:02 am

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KVRAF
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Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:03 am

fmr wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:51 am




I can't understand what's the point of emulating a synth that even back tehn didn't sound that special, and was heralded mainly for a couple of sounds (namely the bass and the EP) and the fact that it had 16 voices of polyphony.

You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about :lol:
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KVRAF
6151 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:36 am

Captain wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:18 pm
But what I'm really waiting for is the C64 synth, that will be a no brainer! :D
I like InSIDious, but it would be cool to see a Plogue version of that one.

KVRian
572 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:46 am

I like that the soundcloud demo includes a DnB track. I like that you can achieve some more aggressive bass sound design with this synth

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KVRAF
5947 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Post Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:50 am

Autobot wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:22 am
but still not sure if I'm fond of having all the DAC and stuff emulated.
I am. That's the sort of attention to detail that is usually missing, or which people assume you want to "improve."

To me that sort of thing is where the magic is. I would be disappointed if yet another DX7 emulation was released that didn't sound any more accurate than Dexed or FM8. What would be the point of that?

Plogue has become known for obsessively detailed analysis and recreation of retro hardware and it's good to see them continuing that instead of taking the easy way out. And the option is right there to switch to cleaner DAC types.

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