I worked with it. I think I know...
But I agree this is a matter of taste. And I don't say I would like to see something like this NOW. This was good in the eighties. Nowadays it would be archaic and ridiculous.
I worked with it. I think I know...
Why are you in this thread anyway , it's borderline trollingfmr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:19 pmNo "mate". I was waiting for you to show it to megentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:17 pmNo it's not ..but have you discovered the advanced tab yet ?fmr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:49 pmIs that a DX7 feature?gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:07 pm Why isn't the operator level available as a mod destination ( when richt clicking it ) ?
So, on one hand, you agree with an absurd and archaich GUI, but OTOH ask for modern approaches. It seems you have to make up your mind. Either you want realism or modernity.
I am here because I want to, and also bought the software. Why? Are you willing to shut me?gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:24 pmWhy are you in this thread anyway , it's borderline trollingfmr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:19 pmNo "mate". I was waiting for you to show it to megentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:17 pmNo it's not ..but have you discovered the advanced tab yet ?fmr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:49 pmIs that a DX7 feature?gentleclockdivider wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:07 pm Why isn't the operator level available as a mod destination ( when richt clicking it ) ?
So, on one hand, you agree with an absurd and archaich GUI, but OTOH ask for modern approaches. It seems you have to make up your mind. Either you want realism or modernity.
I have not posted on this site in years, and yet... I have been following this thread, and honestly you have done almost nothing but post passive aggressive replies to random people who you disagree with for pages upon pages in this thread. I would wager that if I go digging through your post history overall, which I can't be bothered to do, I would find more of the same. I would suggest lightening TF up, but that's just me.
One would think that someone who has been a member of this site since 2003, nearly 2 DECADES, wouldn't be acting so... young...
F-em, which also has 8 operators, uses a matrix which I find easy enough. But that is about the limit of using a matrix interface for me - they also get unwieldyEnGee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:15 pmIn MODX (FM-X) you can search for the algorithm in a matrix like depending on the carriers and chains, but that for 88 algorithms and 8 operators might be necessary. For 32 algorithms, I think it is still useful for choosing the algorithm by clicking on its icon preferablyfairlyclose wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:32 pmI prefer being able to choose from a graphic like this (well perhaps not exactly like yours )EnGee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:05 pm Personally, I'm fine with the GUI and workflow The thing might be useful (but still accessory) is to use the two empty spaces and fill them with algorithms categorized by the number of carriers, so we can immediately choose the algorithm we want. I made an ugly illustration of it below:
Using empty space for algorithms chart.jpg
Anyway, I can just go through the dial and choose the one I want, so it is not an essential feature.
But that is quicker for me too
Thanks. That video is very helpful. I guess this is actually a whole new concept for me, and that's why I questioned it. I just wasn't seeing this as a "safe" way to save and recall settings in a project. I'm just used to saving presets in soft synths. And I was adding unnecessary steps. But now I am confused about what the A and B columns are for in the SYX view... maybe that's in the manual.davidv@plogue wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:17 pmI just don't see it sorry, here's our rationale (like it or hate it)
Completely unedited, adlib on a Saturday before starting supper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGiu4lvwmh4
Cheers
No! I meant for the search function only. The synth itself is fixed algorithms, just like the DX7 but for 8 operators. I wish I have an editor like OPS7 that can communicate with FM-X because although there is a touch screen, it's not as responsive as my phone for example, so I end up with highlighting the parameter and use the data wheel. It's not bad, but I need to get used to the slow workflow. I wonder how they could program the DX7 from that tiny screen!fairlyclose wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:05 amF-em, which also has 8 operators, uses a matrix which I find easy enough. But that is about the limit of using a matrix interface for me - they also get unwieldyEnGee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:15 pmIn MODX (FM-X) you can search for the algorithm in a matrix like depending on the carriers and chains, but that for 88 algorithms and 8 operators might be necessary. For 32 algorithms, I think it is still useful for choosing the algorithm by clicking on its icon preferablyfairlyclose wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:32 pmI prefer being able to choose from a graphic like this (well perhaps not exactly like yours )EnGee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:05 pm Personally, I'm fine with the GUI and workflow The thing might be useful (but still accessory) is to use the two empty spaces and fill them with algorithms categorized by the number of carriers, so we can immediately choose the algorithm we want. I made an ugly illustration of it below:
Using empty space for algorithms chart.jpg
Anyway, I can just go through the dial and choose the one I want, so it is not an essential feature.
But that is quicker for me too
i was about to ask if I could get what fmr is smoking, but then realised it’s probably a mixture of furniture polish and glue.
This sort of mentality is typical KVR... Apparently, no company should ever sell ANY software at all, because the 'flood of support requests' will cause them to go bust. Laughable.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:42 pm You’re forgetting about support requests. More sales equals more support. Could be licensing issues, bugs being reported multiple times by different users, feature requests coming in via email, weird PC/host/plugin format related issues, etc. If you have a large user base that can become a fulltime job in and of itself. And if it goes from spending one hour a day responding to emails to four, then it’s probably not enough to hire a support person and you spend half your day writing emails when you want to be doing other things.
If youdrop sysex patches in the a-b column , you can then selects these from the A-B patch panel for layering or sequencing over seperate midichannelsabernathy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:51 amThanks. That video is very helpful. I guess this is actually a whole new concept for me, and that's why I questioned it. I just wasn't seeing this as a "safe" way to save and recall settings in a project. I'm just used to saving presets in soft synths. And I was adding unnecessary steps. But now I am confused about what the A and B columns are for in the SYX view... maybe that's in the manual.davidv@plogue wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:17 pmI just don't see it sorry, here's our rationale (like it or hate it)
Completely unedited, adlib on a Saturday before starting supper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGiu4lvwmh4
Cheers
EDIT: OK, having tried a Logic project this way, without saving presets, I have to say it isn't a good method for me. One thing I noticed is that if I open the project and make changes to the "patch", like change the effects or pick a different patch from a .syx file and then I close the project, Logic doesn't prompt me to save it - it doesn't think anything has changed? Kinda scary.
Oh look, another fanboy with "ad hominem" attacks, and nothing else.gaggle of hermits wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:52 ami was about to ask if I could get what fmr is smoking, but then realised it’s probably a mixture of furniture polish and glue.
about the only constructive point you’ve made is about the algorithm display and even then as it’s on a rotary, and the arrangement updates in real time I don’t think it’s a big deal. most of the the time you were dealing with a handful of algorithms on the dx7 and you’d wind up remembering what numbers they are.
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