I'm stating a fact. You are expressing an opinion (your opinion)
And I like the aesthetics of Windows 7, BTW (as well as countless others). What I really hate is "flatness".
I'm stating a fact. You are expressing an opinion (your opinion)
The results ARE a fact. Whether they are representative of the reality or not, that's another subject, and can be discussed. I was carefully enough to present them as what they are, nothing more, nothing less.
I'll just add my +1 for this not being the case, heh. Just in case this myth might still be taken seriously by someone new to all this, and bumping into it in its classic form like that. Especially these days both platforms are used by professionals doing (very serious ) audio work all over the world. Personally, I use Windows-based workstations, and they work in an exceptionally stable and reliable manner - uptime with DAW software constantly open sometimes counted in weeks, never crashing. Dedicated audio systems with RME hardware. Note that all this doesn't mean Macs would work somehow worse, it just means that this platform works super solid, and is also routinely used so, in a professional context; nothing else implied here.
Obviously "serious pro audio" work can be done on pretty much anything anymore, even Linux if your DAW of choice is available there. There are definitely a lot of film and studio professionals, especially older ones, who are still on the Mac out of habit, familiarity and simplicity: one vendor, one warranty, local repairs and no geekery required. Not once have I ever seen Protools in a professional studio running on a Windows PC. I'm sure they exist, but at least in the US it's far less common. This helps perpetuate the myth of Mac dominance here, when it's probably not reflective of the overall market. In the hobbyist space it would make sense for there to be many more PCs due to the much larger install base and lower cost of entry. In other parts of the world, especially those running Cubase/Nuendo, Reaper or especially FL Studio, Windows PCs are far more common and probably outnumber the Mac in most cases. I'd be curious to know the Ableton Live split because it seems the most evenly divided to me.Guenon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:49 amI'll just add my +1 for this not being the case, heh. Just in case this myth might still be taken seriously by someone new to all this, and bumping into it in its classic form like that. Especially these days both platforms are used by professionals doing (very serious ) audio work all over the world. Personally, I use Windows-based workstations, and they work in an exceptionally stable and reliable manner - uptime with DAW software constantly open sometimes counted in weeks, never crashing. Dedicated audio systems with RME hardware. Note that all this doesn't mean Macs would work somehow worse, it just means that this platform works super solid, and is also routinely used so, in a professional context; nothing else implied here.
My experience is diametrically opposite to yours. This was confirmed by running Windows 7 on at least 5 different custom PCs that I built for myself, colleagues and friends. On each system, Windows would "hard crash" every 6 months or so forcing me to do a clean install of the OS and hundreds of plugins (not to mention countless drivers). Since moving back to a MacBook Pro in 2015, I haven't had a single crash.BONES wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:32 am My experience is diametrically opposite to yours. The last time Windows crashed on me was in 2003. Studio One crashed on me in the first few weeks I started using it, which is almost exactly a year ago now. I have not had any application crash since (and the crash before that would have been several years earlier). OTOH, I don't recall a week at work without an application crash and it was only maybe 6 or 7 years ago that most application crashes would drag the whole system down with them. Apple seemed to sort that out eventually, though.
This isn't normal at all. Because the only other common denominator mentioned, besides the systems being Windows PCs, is that they were custom built and maintained by the same person, I find it likely that it's a case of user error. It's a touchy topic, and mentioning it in this manner isn't probably the greatest idea on a forum, but in my experience this is likely; in the sense of disregarding known-to-work compatible component combinations, and best practices in software installation and general maintenance. Doing actual custom builds on a professional level isn't that trivial. (On the other hand, good and expertly done custom builds are very solid and dependable. Again, I'm talking about systems that routinely accumulate uptimes counted in weeks or months, and just don't crash.)Gadget Fiend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:01 amat least 5 different custom PCs that I built for myself, colleagues and friends. On each system, Windows would "hard crash" every 6 months or so forcing me to do a clean install of the OS and hundreds of plugins (not to mention countless drivers). Since moving back to a MacBook Pro in 2015, I haven't had a single crash.
The constant troubleshooting on these Windows 7 systems was infuriating and exhausting by comparison
1. Windows 7 was 12 years ago, it is less than irrelevant. It's also the worst version of NT I used. I did my best to avoid it for as longs as I could and I got off it at the first opportunity. But it never crashed on me.Gadget Fiend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:01 amMy experience is diametrically opposite to yours. This was confirmed by running Windows 7 on at least 5 different custom PCs that I built for myself, colleagues and friends. On each system, Windows would "hard crash" every 6 months or so forcing me to do a clean install of the OS and hundreds of plugins (not to mention countless drivers).
Have you switched it on in that time? If so, I can only assume you don't use it for much. Try doing 3D modelling and animation on it and see how much fun that is. So if all you do is music production, maybe a Mac will work fine. The problem for me is that music isn't close to the most demanding thing I use my computer for.Since moving back to a MacBook Pro in 2015, I haven't had a single crash.
"Maybe you were just krap at custom building systems?" "Maybe you're just a slow learner?"BONES wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:28 am1. Windows 7 was 12 years ago, it is less than irrelevant. It's also the worst version of NT I used. I did my best to avoid it for as longs as I could and I got off it at the first opportunity. But it never crashed on me.Gadget Fiend wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:01 amMy experience is diametrically opposite to yours. This was confirmed by running Windows 7 on at least 5 different custom PCs that I built for myself, colleagues and friends. On each system, Windows would "hard crash" every 6 months or so forcing me to do a clean install of the OS and hundreds of plugins (not to mention countless drivers).
2. Perhaps you were just krap at custom building systems? I know mine were never as stable as OEM systems I used, which is why I stopped doing it. Maybe you're just a slow learner?Have you switched it on in that time? If so, I can only assume you don't use it for much. Try doing 3D modelling and animation on it and see how much fun that is. So if all you do is music production, maybe a Mac will work fine. The problem for me is that music isn't close to the most demanding thing I use my computer for.Since moving back to a MacBook Pro in 2015, I haven't had a single crash.
Oh, man. I do software Product Development for a living so I see UI trends come and go. But IMO, Windows 7 has to be up there with the worst looking interfaces of all time. I'm not knocking the Windows 7 OS which was remarkably stable for a Microsoft product at the time.
Make that two!Gadget Fiend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:44 am But that Aero Glass look and feel was just grotesques (one man's opinion).
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