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xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:13 pm

Is it possible that the reason for lack of reviews is that the makers of trackers don't bother to send a free copy to the relevant people in order to get a review? It is interesting that early in Tracktion's life, Jules managed to get reviews in SOS and CM because he contacted the mags and sent them the licence keys to unlock the program.

I recall a thread on the Renoise forum about them potentially doing that themselves and I believe that if they did do that then they would get reviewed. As far as I can tell, the Renoise developers haven't actually followed through with this idea and so it isn't really surprising that no reviews have been forthcoming.

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:16 pm

I believe the Renoise developers were going to contact the mags about six months ago. I don't believe that the lack of reviews is down to the programmers not asking the mags. to do reviews, going by the lack of response by SOS and Redster when I challenged them on this very point.

Still, we shall see. Maybe one day SOS will review Aodix and Renoise, and I'll dance naked in the street, but I think it unlikely.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:33 pm

I haver a question for the tracker-fans:

Why is it that apparently none of the trackers supports audio streaming/recording?

Psycle, Renoise and Aodix all appear interesting to me
but in the end they all are just... trackers.

To me it seems as if there is a narrow-mindedness going on on both sides of the fence.

arguru · Post by **arguru** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:54 pm

I haver a question for the tracker-fans:

Why is it that apparently none of the trackers supports audio streaming/recording?

This is because most "soundtracker programmers" (i mean programmers as musicians,not the program coders), usually manages the built in sampler to stream /trigger audio samples, with big programming skills and practice it can be even faster and giving more 'low-level' control than the methods used in traditional visual sequencers, but as i said, needs a very long training time and one looks more like assembly programming than music writing, entering all hex data and notes manually.

I'm planning to support audio events / audio pool in aodix in future.

Psycle, Renoise and Aodix all appear interesting to me
but in the end they all are just... trackers.

Trackers are step based, using fixed grid-style matrix for sequencer data.

Aodix is EVENT based, so in concept, is not different than most midi/audio sequencers, but uses a similar 'soundtracker' interface.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:05 pm

sounds good

thanks for the info

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 9:31 pm

xg2 wrote: If anybody has a good reason why they aren't reviewing a whole class of music software, I'd love to hear it.

There is endless software out there that doesn't get reviewed, not just trackers. You're so naive its painful sometimes. So much other underdog stuff doesn't get exposure. Welcome to the real world. Ever been to shareware music machine? You think every one of the 5000+ music softwares over there has had magazine cover? No...funny that.

How many of the movies that get released get reviewed? All of them? No. Do all the videogames that get released get reviewed? No.

So what else is new? You go on about this like trackers are the only thing that doesn't get the spotlight for one reason or another.

Find me all the hoardes of tracker users who want their little scene thats beeun underground for years to get splashed all over the mags like CM and others.

Oh hang on, there aren't any. Because they all know, as you should, that the net provides all that the printed media can and more. So why the f**k are you moaning about it?

Go and use google like everybody else. Join the forums, christ alive you could start your own forum for nothing, with virtually no effort!!

It'd still be more productive than constantly bitching about it all the time.

if you really have been kicked off other forums over this as people here have suggested, then you clearly need to get over it and give it a f**king rest.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:01 pm

but wait.. aren't all these entities that provide us with goods and services all united in one great common cause??

*rubs fingers together*

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:11 pm

xoxos wrote:but wait.. aren't all these entities that provide us with goods and services all united in one great common cause??
*rubs fingers together*

if i didnt know better i might suggest you are trolling here rurik ...

slainte

rob

dhanjit · Post by **dhanjit** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:27 pm

xg2 wrote:I'll dance naked in the street

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:14 pm

quincy wrote:
xg2 wrote: If anybody has a good reason why they aren't reviewing a whole class of music software, I'd love to hear it.
There is endless software out there that doesn't get reviewed, not just trackers. You're so naive its painful sometimes. So much other underdog stuff doesn't get exposure. Welcome to the real world. Ever been to shareware music machine? You think every one of the 5000+ music softwares over there has had magazine cover? No...funny that.

What types of music software have never been reviewed by SOS?
Off the top of my head, there are sequencers, trackers, samplers, VSTis, notation software, etc.etc. Could you list the ones that you are talking about that have never been reviewed? (I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I can't think of a 'type' that's never been reviewed - but then, I probably haven't heard about it BECAUSE it hasn't been reviewed, which just proves my point!)

Shifrin · Post by **Shifrin** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:22 pm

CM issue 31 had a trackers special in it (granted a long time ago) along with Buzz, Psycle, MadTracker and Modix on the cover CD

See if you can get it as a back issue xg2

Shif.

dhanjit · Post by **dhanjit** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:36 pm

xg2 wrote:What types of music software have never been reviewed by SOS?
Off the top of my head, there are sequencers, trackers, samplers, VSTis, notation software, etc.etc. Could you list the ones that you are talking about that have never been reviewed? (I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I can't think of a 'type' that's never been reviewed - but then, I probably haven't heard about it BECAUSE it hasn't been reviewed, which just proves my point!)

You're starting to chase your own tail, you silly chav.

Here's a link to all the reviews in Sound On Sound since 1994 http://www.soundonsound.com/articles/Re ... c9803d0a33. I'm sure the editor would be delighted to hear from you which reviews you disagree with.

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:54 pm

Shifrin wrote:CM issue 31 had a trackers special in it (granted a long time ago) along with Buzz, Psycle, MadTracker and Modix on the cover CD

See if you can get it as a back issue xg2

Shif.

I'm aware of that. It was a SPECIAL, which means that we had to wait for 31 issues before getting it. And they've never reviewed a tracker to my knowledge - i.e. not a normal review, along with all the other reviews. Do I have to wait until I'm 100 before the next 'special' issue comes along?

None of that in any way explains the refusal of the mags. to review trackers.

They put a massively cut down version of Buzz on the cover CD - it's like putting a Reason demo on there, but only allowing you to use one synth with 90% of its functions removed, and then wondering why people slate it.

There is a big problem with the mags. - a TINY number of people are deciding what you get to read about. It's the same with all of the printed media.

That's why we're told that the sort of women Ruben painted were considered 'attractive' in his day - they weren't - not by the majority of people. A tiny number of people have claimed to represent what EVERYBODY thought, when it wasn't like that at all.

Like I said, no matter how good Aodix is, or Renoise, the mags. will never review them. And they won't even explain why. I think that sucks, and needs to be said.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:55 pm

Does it support Rewire?

quincy · Post by **quincy** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:02 am

xg2 wrote:
quincy wrote:
xg2 wrote: If anybody has a good reason why they aren't reviewing a whole class of music software, I'd love to hear it.
There is endless software out there that doesn't get reviewed, not just trackers. You're so naive its painful sometimes. So much other underdog stuff doesn't get exposure. Welcome to the real world. Ever been to shareware music machine? You think every one of the 5000+ music softwares over there has had magazine cover? No...funny that.

What types of music software have never been reviewed by SOS?
Off the top of my head, there are sequencers, trackers, samplers, VSTis, notation software, etc.etc. Could you list the ones that you are talking about that have never been reviewed? (I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I can't think of a 'type' that's never been reviewed - but then, I probably haven't heard about it BECAUSE it hasn't been reviewed, which just proves my point!)

I'm not saying whole genres have been missed out, thats not the point.

The point is that there is too much to cover it all. Just like how a newspaper doesn't report every single story that happened anywhere in the world, not possible.

And its a blatant exageration from you that trackers are never featured in magazines. They do pop up now and again, so they aren't being totally ignored.

If it was up to me i'd get Computer Music to do 36 pages of tutorials on ableton live 4 every month. But it aint gonna happen.

Look - I checked out your website the other day and you're clearly getting on well making music with your setup, so why do you care? If you're doing fine, then just get on with it.

The campaign isn't exactly moving forward, so let it go.

Aodix 4 today ?