Ways to make Wavetables for Hive?!

[Howard]

Yes, dull as in boring

Understood. I agree that creating good/useful wavetables can be tedious! I passed on a job making wavetables for a hardware synth quite recently for that very reason.

[imrae]

Also, people can use their editor of choice, for which some people may have already added syntax highlighting and such. We could never have done it any better. We make plug-ins, not word processors.

I for one appreciate any opportunity to use Emacs

[Urs]

Yes, dull as in boring

Understood. I agree that creating good/useful wavetables can be tedious! I passed on a job making wavetables for a hardware synth quite recently for that very reason.

You could have used Zebra to do that and freaked everyone

[Teksonik]

Isn't it ironic that people who think we're somewhat dumb and behind still somehow try to make an argument to "get what they need" in our software?

To be clear I wasn't the one who asked for a WT editor in Hive and I never said you were dumb. As mentioned earlier I already have other options for that task which work perfectly.

In fact there's really nothing else I'd want in Hive...well that you would consider adding at least. It's one of my favorite synths as it sits right now.

That said, if anyone can point out a wavetable synthesizer with similar realtime interpolation methods that uses less CPU than Hive when sweeping through wavetables, I'm all ears. I thought we had done our research, but then there's surely something out there we might have missed.

I'm not going to argue the merits of other synths versus yours especially in regards to "realtime interpolation methods". I simply like each synth for its own character and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I will say that I have made a ton of wavetables using other synths but have never even bothered to try creating a .uhm file. So to me the greatest ability is usability.

Same goes for wavetable editors. Let's take the most simple of wavetable sweeps, a plain PWM which starts as a narrow pulse and becomes a square wave in 256 frames. How long do you think you'll need to draw this in your editor of choice? And now how much longer and how much more difficult does it get to paint a sweep from an "ahhh" type of waveform to an "ooh" type one? Is it even possible?
In my opinion wavetable editors are vastly glorified for something one can not easily achieve in them.

I'm happy to discuss this point if someone has good examples. If possible, examples that are not just stitched together arbitrary waveforms but nice sweeps with smooth spectral movement and none of the typical artefacts.

The thing is not every wavetable or at least the ones I use are sweeps from one point to another. Many are collections of different waveforms that create a certain character when swept or simply provide a collection of single waveforms to chose from when making patches.

For example I don't need PWM or Hard Sync wavetables because most synths I use have those capabilities at the Osc level.

I don't know what "typical artifacts" are but I can tell you I find sweeping most WTs in any synth to be sonically pleasing and isn't that all that matters?

Bottom line is I'm sure .uhm files are awesome for making WTs but they're simply not for me. Although I've been responsible for balancing to the penny financial accounts in the hundreds of millions of dollars that is pretty much the extent of my math abilities. I'm not a complete idiot but when it comes to complex math I am an idiot and I don't think I should be shamed for that fact because I haven't learned how .uhm files work. I'm happily creating WTs with other methods. Just because you are reluctant or resistant to adding WT creation abilities to Hive (again not something I'm asking for) doesn't mean I should learn how to code WTs using your system.

I will tell you that people have created thousands of WTs using other methods but I'm not seeing the same proliferation of .uhm WTs. That should tell us something right there......

[Urs]

Why the spite? - If you find .uhm uninspiring, there are obviously plenty of other tools. Waveedit from Synthtech comes to mind.

Wouldn't you say that many of those who have been inspired by .uhm have gotten amazing results from it? Or do wavetables like the Plugmon ones somehow not count?

I do feel like we have quite a few users out there who love to work with it. It's surely not discussed much, but dismissing the efforts done isn't fair either.

[PietW.]

Hi there,

im pretty inexperienced in wavetables and how to make or use them effectively. I only use Hive2 for WT‘s but tried other WT Synths.

I read about the methods how to create them for Hive, but the results are always bad and not what i expected.
I cant program (script them) and just record wav‘s or use the recording function in Zebra to make WTs.

When working with Z2, i take good care of OSC waveforms and their overtones to get the timbre i thought of before.

Do wavetables always produce a more randomly outcome? I mean, if i just import a wav of a human voice singing a short note, it will sound like trash in Hive. For me it seems like imported sounds, are only usable if they are made of basic waveforms.

I would like to get more complexity in my Wavetables (some vocalish as example), but in
the cleanest way and not as random as randomly sounding images like in Serum.

So, what are my options, to create them?
Learning to script?

In Audioterm you can create Wavetables in Serumformat.

[pdxindy]

I will tell you that people have created thousands of WTs using other methods but I'm not seeing the same proliferation of .uhm WTs. That should tell us something right there......

It tells us that there are dozens of synths that load regular wavetables and various wavetable editors have been around for a long time.

Uhm scripts are currently only for 1 synth and have had a rather short lifespan to date. Let's see where Uhm scripts are in 10+ years.

Most of the thousands of wavetables people have created tend to be uninspiring and same-y. I've made a lot of wavetables myself and it is no easy task to come up with something actually different/fresh/unique etc.

I don't write Uhm scripts myself. But I am happy to make use of the Uhm scripts that are available.

[aMUSEd]

Don't Uhm wavetables also work in the Bitwig Wavetable synth now too?

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[MitchK1989]

Don't Uhm wavetables also work in the Bitwig Wavetable synth now too?

not as .uhm but you can make hive render .uhm to .wav to use elsewhere (and it was those rendered .wavs that weren't working initially in bitwig, some type of metadata issue that has since been fixed)

[Biome_Digital]

I've recently made hundreds of decent wavetables to use in HIVE. I used (mainly) serum and dune 3. From vocal samples to analogue synths, I've had no trouble using them in HIVE.

[Teksonik]

I don't write Uhm scripts myself.

That was my point. How many people do ?

[pdxindy]

I don't write Uhm scripts myself.

That was my point. How many people do ?

Not many people build devices in Max 4 Live, or Reaktor either. However, lots of people make use of stuff created by others.

Same with Uhm scripts. Lots of Hive users are making use of the included Uhm based wavetables in Hive.

[Teksonik]

Lots of Hive users are making use of the included Uhm based wavetables in Hive.

Certainly they are including myself but how many would use Wavetables they created without having to learn the .uhm scripting?

I'm making more use of WT created in other plugins.....

My point remains that while .uhm may be powerful it is far from user friendly. The fact that neither of us create .uhm WTs simply reinforces that point.