Tracking Apple Silicon Native Hosts, Plugins, Effects

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KVRian

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1057 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:24 pm

bysbox1 wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:47 pm
Oh snap. Eventide is iLok.

Hopefully we'll see more iLok plugins follow suit.
We already have. UVI and Nembrini plugins are now native.

KVRist
93 posts since 12 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:18 am

bysbox1 wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:47 pm
Tronam wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:15 am
amhawkins wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:08 am
Eventide Plugins now appear to be native!:
https://www.eventideaudio.com/forums/to ... port-info/

Just tried the VST3 version of Blackhole in Live 11.1 beta on my M1 and it works just fine.
The update post implies all of them, which is good news if true. I can at least personally verify the following Eventide plugins are now Apple Silicon native:

Eventide
https://www.eventideaudio.com/downloads/

Blackhole 3.8.11
Omnipressor 3.9.9
SP2016 Reverb 1.5.9

Oh snap. Eventide is iLok.

Hopefully we'll see more iLok plugins follow suit.
Can you confirm if your Eventide plugs are actually running Native? I only have Quadravox (updated to the latest version) and when I hover over the Eventide logo it says the version number and Intel not ARM. It also states this plug has added M1 support in the changelog but it looks like it is more compatible and not Native yet.

KVRer
5 posts since 11 Feb, 2021

Post Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:18 am

davestretch wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:18 am
Can you confirm if your Eventide plugs are actually running Native? I only have Quadravox (updated to the latest version) and when I hover over the Eventide logo it says the version number and Intel not ARM. It also states this plug has added M1 support in the changelog but it looks like it is more compatible and not Native yet.
I have Blackhole, H3000, Ultrachannel all running native ARM in Logic.

KVRer
1 posts since 5 Apr, 2009

Post Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:47 am

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davestretch wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:18 am
bysbox1 wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:47 pm
Tronam wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:15 am
amhawkins wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:08 am
Eventide Plugins now appear to be native!:
https://www.eventideaudio.com/forums/to ... port-info/ (https://www.eventideaudio.com/forums/topic/macos-11-big-sur-support-info/)

Just tried the VST3 version of Blackhole in Live 11.1 beta on my M1 and it works just fine.
The update post implies all of them, which is good news if true. I can at least personally verify the following Eventide plugins are now Apple Silicon native:

Eventide
https://www.eventideaudio.com/downloads/ (https://www.eventideaudio.com/downloads/)

Blackhole 3.8.11
Omnipressor 3.9.9
SP2016 Reverb 1.5.9

Oh snap. Eventide is iLok.

Hopefully we'll see more iLok plugins follow suit.
Can you confirm if your Eventide plugs are actually running Native? I only have Quadravox (updated to the latest version) and when I hover over the Eventide logo it says the version number and Intel not ARM. It also states this plug has added M1 support in the changelog but it looks like it is more compatible and not Native yet.
I can confirm Intel is displayed on the following plugins in the Anthology bundle:

Quadravox
Octavox
Octavox(no midi)


On all the others M1 is displayed.

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KVRian

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1057 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:03 am

mrhood wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:47 am
I can confirm Intel is displayed on the following plugins in the Anthology bundle:

Quadravox
Octavox
Octavox(no midi)


On all the others M1 is displayed.
Huh. Yeah, they do not list those as M1 on the specs. They announced that all plugins were native on their forums. I wonder if they consider these legacy now?

KVRist
93 posts since 12 Feb, 2021

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:01 am

Fingers crossed for Soundtoys!

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KVRAF
1921 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:05 pm

This blog post by LiquidSonics sheds a small amount of light on the current iLok situation. Unfortunately it may not be as clear cut as I hoped.

https://www.liquidsonics.com/2020/11/13 ... ransition/

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KVRian

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1057 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:06 pm

Tronam wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:05 pm
This blog post by LiquidSonics sheds a small amount of light on the current iLok situation. Unfortunately it may not be as clear cut as I hoped.

https://www.liquidsonics.com/2020/11/13 ... ransition/
I guess we shouldn't be surprised that a company that specializes in copy protection requires NDAs regarding the architecture of their protection, but damn this is frustrating. Thanks for the link.

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KVRist
367 posts since 9 Jun, 2020

Post Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:46 pm

Tronam wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:05 pm
This blog post by LiquidSonics sheds a small amount of light on the current iLok situation. Unfortunately it may not be as clear cut as I hoped.

https://www.liquidsonics.com/2020/11/13 ... ransition/
He says in the post: "With a major transition it’s also natural that some parts of a dependency can become available sooner than others, that will release some while others are still held up."

What does he mean by "a dependency"? Is that all the plugin manufacturers or is it something to do with coding?

KVRist
93 posts since 12 Feb, 2021

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:33 am

A quick question I can't seem to find an answer for - if you are running a Logic Pro native session on M1 and load an Intel plugin(s) does the whole session revert to using Rosetta or just the Plugin(s) in question?

Bad news about the iLok/PACE issues reported by Liquidsonics - especially as they state they have Silicon versions ready to go out. I bet some of the other developers are in the same situation....but others who do not use iLok really have no excuse to have not got Silicon versions out yet. I know Plugin Alliance have given a November date for M1 but can't see anything from Arturia, IK, iZotope. Who would have guessed Waves would beat so many companies to this?!?!?!

KVRer
8 posts since 15 Mar, 2021

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:46 am

I can’t speak for Logic, but Live’s M1 beta simply does not display any vsts that aren’t M1 Native, so they can’t be opened. You’d need to open the daw in Rosetta mode from the get go.
You can open AUs though, as Apple’s AUCompatibiltyHost enables this.

RE Ilok, I directly asked Soundtoys for a timeline and their answer was similar, but more cagey, than LiquidSonics’. So yes, I suspect plenty of ilok reliant devs are awaiting specific components they need for PACE before they can release updates.

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KVRian

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1057 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:14 am

davestretch wrote:
Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:33 am
A quick question I can't seem to find an answer for - if you are running a Logic Pro native session on M1 and load an Intel plugin(s) does the whole session revert to using Rosetta or just the Plugin(s) in question?

Bad news about the iLok/PACE issues reported by Liquidsonics - especially as they state they have Silicon versions ready to go out. I bet some of the other developers are in the same situation....but others who do not use iLok really have no excuse to have not got Silicon versions out yet. I know Plugin Alliance have given a November date for M1 but can't see anything from Arturia, IK, iZotope. Who would have guessed Waves would beat so many companies to this?!?!?!
No, Rosetta2 does not work that way. To run an app under Rosetta, you have to launch it that way. Apple has an AU compatibility layer that allows any DAW supporting AU to run Intel plugins in a subprocess. They can be mixed and matched with native plugins, provided the DAW is running native.

As for Waves, this is not really surprising. They use a common framework for all plugins, and everything is updated all at once as part of it. So they don't have to touch each plugin individually unless the plugin is using AVX or assembly code. Some devs have a similar situation, such as u-He, in that most of their plugins are using a common base framework.

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KVRian

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1057 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:19 am

J0nnyMac78 wrote:
Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:46 am
RE Ilok, I directly asked Soundtoys for a timeline and their answer was similar, but more cagey, than LiquidSonics’. So yes, I suspect plenty of ilok reliant devs are awaiting specific components they need for PACE before they can release updates.
Pretty sure Soundtoys won't be releasing native versions until Soundtoys 6 comes out, so it will likely be a paid upgrade. That's probably why they are cagey.

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KVRian
1233 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:25 pm

KVR needs an M1 badge for plugins in the KVR Audio Product Database.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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KVRAF
1921 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Seattle, WA - USA

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:07 pm

PSPaudioware just released their first native plugin called ‘PSP Saturator’:
https://www.pspaudioware.com/products/psp-saturator

They also appear to be among the small group of iLok devs willing to give up some potential protection to get the plugin out earlier. I’ve never seen anyone refer to it as “macOS Silicon” before though; Yet another name variation to throw into the mix. We have ARM, ARM64, M1, Apple Silicon and now macOS Silicon, with even more on the way for M1 Pro and M1 Max. Fun times.

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