Songwriting. What does that word mean to you? and how do you do it?

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KVRist
40 posts since 16 Jul, 2021

Post Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:02 pm

Let me know what you think!

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KVRAF
5936 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:03 am

I have no problem using "song" to describe a discrete unit of music that I create, but I do not consider myself a "songwriter" at all.

"Songwriting" to me implies mainstream genres that I only have a casual interest in listening to and no interest in creating. Probably with lyrics, standard Western pop structure, etc. The cliche of someone sitting down with a guitar or piano and a notebook.

Composing is a more general term, but also not really what I do. I am all about improvisation.

(TBH, not really sure what I think of "producer" either. It implies a product, and used to mean some corporate type whose job was to keep the band focused on making a product that they can sell. The more modern meaning is kind of tied up in hip-hop and dance genres.)

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KVRAF
5282 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:08 am

Producer means you produced something. All songs put on a market are products,no matter how niche that product may be
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KVRAF
2999 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:25 am

Writting music and lyrics that later will be arranged.

I’m mostly starting with chord progression on piano and than write top line melody, than do as much variations of both until I get sense of arrangement, than make rough sketch and send that out to someone to write lyrics or have someone working with me in room. Most often I already got chorus sorted out by myself and need someone to write verses/bridges based on theme.

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KVRAF
7259 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:33 am

If you get annoyed when someone says to you “ohhhh, you make beats?”, then you’re probably a songwriter :hihi:

KVRAF
23281 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from not here

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:25 am

I used to write poetry. I have a few songs in the strict sense, meaning to me they begin with lyrics. I didn't produce most of it or even set it up, because once I was really conversant with the DAW ways of getting a track together, music in a more absolute sense was far more compelling. I was writing words in lieu of pure music. One of them I turned into something sans voice (which was a spoken thing anyway).

songwriting is a kind of small box to me comparatively; the expectation is it's universal (relatable) to be any good, and definitely formally compact. Which for me aren't the very most interesting restrictions to have to meet. I'm hearing something other than singable melody over chords.

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KVRAF
5936 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:30 pm

melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:08 am
Producer means you produced something. All songs put on a market are products,no matter how niche that product may be
What if you produced something that is not intended for sale?

We don't call authors producers, we don't call painters producers, we don't call photographers producers, we don't call dancers producers, we don't call cabinetmakers producers, etc.

I just think that naming your work a "product" in advance gives you a certain preconceived notion about it that affects what goes into its creation. It becomes less of an artwork or a labor of love, and more something that is supposed to compete in a "market".

(I don't make music for business reasons, and I give it away for free. Is that still a "market?" If so... I don't care, because I don't think of it that way.)

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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:32 pm

doesnt matter what people call me, i do what i do anyway :shrug:
i wouldnt call it song writing though, more sonic tapestry.

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KVRAF
5282 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:39 pm

foosnark wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:30 pm
melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:08 am
Producer means you produced something. All songs put on a market are products,no matter how niche that product may be
What if you produced something that is not intended for sale?

We don't call authors producers, we don't call painters producers, we don't call photographers producers, we don't call dancers producers, we don't call cabinetmakers producers, etc.

I just think that naming your work a "product" in advance gives you a certain preconceived notion about it that affects what goes into its creation. It becomes less of an artwork or a labor of love, and more something that is supposed to compete in a "market".

(I don't make music for business reasons, and I give it away for free. Is that still a "market?" If so... I don't care, because I don't think of it that way.)
It doesn't matter if you didn't put it up for sale. You produced a product which is the result of being produced by an act of production

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The yorkies will guide us through the storm
so persistently they yap
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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:40 pm

melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:39 pm

The yorkies will guide us through the storm
the little crappy dogs?

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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:40 pm

ah yes, you edited.

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KVRAF
5282 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:41 pm

Help doeth cometh from places most unexpected
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addled muppet weed
86091 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:58 pm

melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:41 pm
Help doeth cometh from places most unexpected
i dont see a pointless dog helping much in songwriting, but what do i know? im a cat dude.
as in i like not cats, not i am a cat human hybrid or anything cool.

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Boss Lovin' DR
9208 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:04 pm

melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:39 pm


The yorkies will guide us through the storm
I've lived here for 34 years and the only place they've guided me is to my wallet to pay for their drinks.

Errr..songwriting. I do it, but really have no clue how - string some vaguely related bits together then sing some drivel over the top is usually what happens.

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KVRAF
5282 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:04 am

donkey tugger wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:04 pm
melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:39 pm


The yorkies will guide us through the storm
I've lived here for 34 years and the only place they've guided me is to my wallet to pay for their drinks.

Errr..songwriting. I do it, but really have no clue how - string some vaguely related bits together then sing some drivel over the top is usually what happens.
That's what those old Beatles interviews taught me
Living rent free

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