Songwriting. What does that word mean to you? and how do you do it?

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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:12 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:58 pm
melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:41 pm
Help doeth cometh from places most unexpected
i dont see a pointless dog helping much in songwriting, but what do i know? im a cat dude.
as in i like not cats, not i am a cat human hybrid or anything cool.
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Beware the Quoth
30016 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am

melomood wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:39 pm
You produced a product which is the result of being produced by an act of production

Don't sweat the navel gazery
whi is it navel gazery to point out that the rationale for now using 'producer' for music as 'person who created the product' isnt consistent anywhere else, and music only seemingly gets this rationale because producer was previously used to mean something quite specifically different.

Most people who produce a product which is the result of being produced by an act of production are actually called 'manufacturers'. Or sometimes 'craftsmen', 'artists', or 'engineers'.
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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:34 am

So artist IS in there
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Beware the Quoth
30016 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 am

farlkukar's examples included painters, dancers and photographers, so yes, for some values of 'there.' Most of the people i know who 'produce' (when used as a synonym for 'make' or 'create') things are artists, that's the environment I work in.

TBH, though, Im not really sure what your point is, as nobody actually used the word 'artist' previously in the thread so I have no clear context :shrug:
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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:53 am

True
I just don't see the point of sweating at a time in tech that enables the songwriter to also be the producer. I'm realizing my view is also twisted from gravitating towards recording artists that produce their own material.
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KVRian
1340 posts since 2 Jun, 2003

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:16 am

The song as a form of communication and a form of expression predates technology and industry. So maybe the most basic definition of a song would be the same as for music itself, involving a pattern of sounds that makes it distinguishable from other patterns of sounds, and to be repeatable.

My own definition is a little more demanding, requiring words, melody, and structure. For some people no words are required, for others, no melody. That's all fine. What matters is that ideas and feelings are carried by sound from one intelligence to another.

As for how I do it, that's simple - magic!
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KVRAF
13197 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:41 am

Songwriting is the act of writing songs. A song has melody and lyrics. Good songs can be performed with just a singer and a piano or guitar, and still have a strong impact.

This distinguishes songwriters from producers. The first group aims for touching ones heart with minimal resources, the second group finds joy in polishing turds.

What intrigues me is the question behind the question. This thread was not started for discussing semantics only.
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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:28 am

Hewitt Huntwork wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:16 am
The song as a form of communication and a form of expression predates technology and industry. So maybe the most basic definition of a song would be the same as for music itself, involving a pattern of sounds that makes it distinguishable from other patterns of sounds, and to be repeatable.

My own definition is a little more demanding, requiring words, melody, and structure. For some people no words are required, for others, no melody. That's all fine. What matters is that ideas and feelings are carried by sound from one intelligence to another.

As for how I do it, that's simple - magic!
I call it struggling like a strugglebus til I have an intro,melody,some words,verse & chorus,then work it in to a finished song
Sometimes taking two little ideas & making a song out of it
Sometimes just having the song in my head & trying to bang out what I heard in my head
The struggle is kinda fun. I get to play with toys
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addled muppet weed
86013 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:14 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:43 am
farlkukar's examples included painters, dancers and photographers, so yes, for some values of 'there.' Most of the people i know who 'produce' (when used as a synonym for 'make' or 'create') things are artists, that's the environment I work in.

TBH, though, Im not really sure what your point is, as nobody actually used the word 'artist' previously in the thread so I have no clear context :shrug:
foosnark :P

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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:20 am

Why oh why do these threads always end in name calling


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Boss Lovin' DR
9187 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:20 am

melomood wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:20 am
Why oh why do these threads always end in name calling


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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:21 am

Donkey tugger
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Boss Lovin' DR
9187 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:21 am

melomood wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:21 am
Donkey tugger
Yes?

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KVRAF
5266 posts since 15 Oct, 2017 from U.S.

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:22 am

:hihi:
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KVRAF
2817 posts since 20 Mar, 2012 from Babbleon

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:56 am

how do i songwrite? i try to do what the people in my music collection do.

songwriting to me is the not-so-easy process of making words and melodies fit together really really well.

a lot of christmas carols and hymns do that, imho.

here's one.
https://youtu.be/jDdSQlCbJ90
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