Waldorf M Wavetable Synthesizer

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KVRist
313 posts since 5 Jul, 2004

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:37 am

pdxindy thanks a lot ! really helpfull as i can t try the synths before buying .
i was like living in a cave since some years :D and it s crazy all the synths that went out.. behringer get decent sounding analog synth almost at price of a plugin wtf ! and korg Xd is kinda interesting with the "open source "oscillator and fx , crazy day we live in at all points.. still the M for me is the sound that i like the most and i can t cover at all with plugin.. what a sound

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KVRAF
20422 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:27 pm

kobal wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:37 am
pdxindy thanks a lot ! really helpfull as i can t try the synths before buying .
i was like living in a cave since some years :D and it s crazy all the synths that went out.. behringer get decent sounding analog synth almost at price of a plugin wtf ! and korg Xd is kinda interesting with the "open source "oscillator and fx , crazy day we live in at all points.. still the M for me is the sound that i like the most and i can t cover at all with plugin.. what a sound
I was immediately enthused by the sound demos of the M... since receiving the M, my expectations based on hearing the sound demos have been exceeded.

I have a Waldorf Quantum too. It is an excellent synth in its own way. I spent 45 minutes making a kind of struck sound that morphed a bit on decay. With reverb it sounds pretty good.

I also made a similar sound on the M which took under 10 minutes. Then I compared the M sound and the Quantum sound both dry (no fx). The Q sound is plain by comparison. And every time I play a note, it sounds the same... even though it is a fundamentally pleasing sound, it is unnaturally perfect. So I spend more time to add modulation for variation but it is just not the same as ...

The M sound has all these nuances. And the nuances are dynamic... play a fifth up and the sound has some difference in the nuances. The M is obviously not an acoustic instrument, but it has a similar kind of organic complexity which is just what I look for. Notes are not just carbon copies at a different pitch. That is not the result of any programming on my part. I played that particular preset across 7 octaves and at every octave it sounded fresh and interesting. Down low at C-1, C0, G0... the low end is amazing.

It might not be someone else's favorite. This synth was made for me. :tu:

KVRist
391 posts since 5 Feb, 2012

Post Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:14 pm

chk071 wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:27 am
IMO, all of Waldorf synths have sort of a signature sound though. Not all the same, but, similar. AND, the Largo has all of the wavetables of the original Microwave, and also the option to change the wavetable resolution, so that it's closer to the way the original Waldorf synths resolved the waveforms. It surely will be the closest you can get in software.

If you need exactly that sound, there probably isn't a way around getting the M.
I own an original MicroWave and Largo (along with Nave and PPG 3.V). To my ears, none of the Waldorf wavetable plugins sound anywhere near as good as the MicroWave I. Largo and PPG 3.V both have the option to reduce the bit rate of the their wavetables. IMO, that does very little to improve the overall sound quality or make these plugins sound more like the MicroWave.

The MicroWave I is my favorite synth by far. It's just magic.
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KVRAF
20422 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:02 pm

New firmware update is out today for the M...

Fixed a few issues with the multi-mode

also added random init functionality... you can make randomized presets with some control over parameters ranges in settings.
plus 3 new modulators - inverse, coin flip and random (very useful!)

KVRist
313 posts since 5 Jul, 2004

Post Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:04 am

really nice update !
something i m wondering ( i need to check the manual more in details ) is it possible to make full stereo patch ? like by panning one voice left one right , or by using 2 parts ?

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KVRAF
20422 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:35 am

kobal wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:04 am
really nice update !
something i m wondering ( i need to check the manual more in details ) is it possible to make full stereo patch ? like by panning one voice left one right , or by using 2 parts ?
Yes, you can pan the voices on one part. Actually, using the new inverse modulator or the random modulator gives you two ways of doing it... the inverse modulator would alternate back and forth between two values and random would randomly place each voice somewhere between 100% left and 100% right.

I tried it last night :)

KVRist
313 posts since 5 Jul, 2004

Post Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:45 am

thnaks it s great and that random init preset might be fun

KVRist
313 posts since 5 Jul, 2004

Post Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:13 pm

there is a guy who make a sort of similar synth , he share the development stage into a french forum , it s 6 voice with 2 12 bit wav table oscillators with analog filter, it s not the M but it seems very promising for the price , he used that sort of "mod matrix " interface to reduce cost at maximum, it s less than 400e https://soundcloud.com/user-495186412

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KVRAF
20422 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:04 pm

Found a couple more small issues... the developer is already on it. Waldorf's support is outstanding.

Enjoyed a couple hours this afternoon designing sounds on the M. Listening direct out (no FX) and it's startling how good it sounds! Haven't tried importing any user wavetables yet, but looking forward to seeing how that goes.

KVRist
316 posts since 3 Feb, 2017

Post Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:25 pm

Gadget Fiend wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:14 pm
The MicroWave I is my favorite synth by far. It's just magic.
I agree.

My Waldorf top 5 ( I own them all)
1 MW1 A
2 Quantum
3 M
4 XT
5 Blofeld

I think the M is fantastic. I just put MW1 A at #1, because I prefer the raw sound and the Quantum at #2 because I think it can sound very similar to the M and has many many extras on top of that.

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KVRAF
2715 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

Post Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:25 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:02 pm
plus 3 new modulators - inverse, coin flip and random (very useful!)
Random? That's a great addition!
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KVRAF
20422 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:39 am

DrGonzo wrote:
Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:25 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:02 pm
plus 3 new modulators - inverse, coin flip and random (very useful!)
Random? That's a great addition!
I've been making good use of it! :tu:

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KVRAF
2715 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

Post Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:27 am

pdxindy wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:39 am
DrGonzo wrote:
Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:25 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:02 pm
plus 3 new modulators - inverse, coin flip and random (very useful!)
Random? That's a great addition!
I've been making good use of it! :tu:
Is there any way to "lag" or soften the shifts in randomness? Sometimes when using random it can cause sharp clicks.
Plughugger Sound Design
ELEMENT 27 - MODAL COBALT8 sounds for OMNISPHERE
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS

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KVRAF
20422 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:21 am

DrGonzo wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:27 am
pdxindy wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:39 am
DrGonzo wrote:
Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:25 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:02 pm
plus 3 new modulators - inverse, coin flip and random (very useful!)
Random? That's a great addition!
I've been making good use of it! :tu:
Is there any way to "lag" or soften the shifts in randomness? Sometimes when using random it can cause sharp clicks.
Random mod source in this case is a random value for each note that persists through the life of the note.

The LFO has a random mode. There the shifts are all soft/slow. There is no control (yet) to make them sharp.

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KVRAF
21938 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:54 am

christian f. wrote:
Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:25 pm
Quantum at #2 because I think it can sound very similar to the M and has many many extras on top of that.
Unfortunately no, Quantum sounds way too clean compared to the M. They're not even close.

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