"Lindell Audio 50" API channel strip by Plugin Alliance

[mcbpete]

Outcome #4 could lead to either #1 or #2 in a mix however so not entirely redundant. I could see a situation (and have done personally with other BX's other consoles) where there is an elements that don't quite fit in with the rest of the mix, but the producer can't put a finger on what's slightly wrong - cycling through the channels with a very slight change in stereo width/panning, Q, ratios etc. might push that element to sit better (or worse) with the other tracks.

[whyterabbyt]

Difference just for the sake of difference without a discernible advantage is pretty much the textbook definition of a placebo.

No its not. The textbook definition of a placebo is no actual difference, ie an inert substitution that changes nothing.

And the textbook definition of the placebo effect is a discernable advantage (ie curative behaviour) resultant from no actual difference.

[Teksonik]

You're right but I do know the definition of Pedant:

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I thought I could get away with a little artistic license with the use of Placebo in order to make a point but I forgot that WR is always prowling the skies waiting to swoop down and pounce on any perceived error. A thousand apologies. I'm sure you feel much better now.

[vurt]

you can't claim artistic licence on textbook definitions!
otherwise, we end up in bizzaro land!

[Teksonik]

Anyway let me give a practical example. Say I've got one of their TMT channel strips on 16 tracks of a song.

When I hit "Random Channel All" it does this.

TMT.png

So all 16 channels strips are set to random pairs. What are the possible outcomes?

It makes some channels sound better and some worse and some it makes no discernible difference at all and in any combination.

So you have to go back and check all 16 tracks to see "does the snare sound better or worse now or has it made any difference at all?" or the kick or the guitar etc etc.

Now I'm not hating on the strips themselves and in fact I like the Console N shown above.

It's just that I find TMT to be more marketing hype than an actually useful feature in my personal experience with several of the PA channel strips.

I'm sure others will no doubt disagree and I don't say that makes them full of sh*t I just say that makes them perfect customers for TMT.

[Teksonik]

you can't claim artistic licence on textbook definitions!
otherwise, we end up in bizzaro land!

And another one swoops in.......

I don't know if you've noticed or not but all of KVR is bizzaro land.....

[Teksonik]

Anyway I'm in to the studio now so please feel free to call me full of shit or an idiot or anything else that makes you feel better and brings joy to your day.

[vurt]

Anyway let me give a practical example. Say I've got one of their TMT channel strips on 16 tracks of a song.

When I hit "Random Channel All" it does this.


TMT.png


So all 16 channels strips are set to random pairs. What are the possible outcomes?

It makes some channels sound better and some worse and some it makes no discernible difference at all and in any combination.

So you have to go back and check all 16 tracks to see "does the snare sound better or worse now or has it made any difference at all?" or the kick or the guitar etc etc.

Now I'm not hating on the strips themselves and in fact I like the Console N shown above.

It's just that I find TMT to be more marketing hype than an actually useful feature in my personal experience with several of the PA channel strips.

I'm sure others will no doubt disagree and I don't say that makes them full of sh*t I just say that makes them perfect customers for TMT.

not that im claiming it does this, but i think the intent maybe, to add the same sort of difference you might get in a well used console.
the only reason i can see this being a possible advantage, it adds a little "3d depth" (metaphor) to mixes, that we do kind of miss from the digital age, where every setting sounds the same, every time

now, whether this is useful to an individual is up to them i guess.
but i do think that's the aim of this, although i could be wrong. (often am)

[vurt]

you can't claim artistic licence on textbook definitions!
otherwise, we end up in bizzaro land!

And another one swoops in.......

I don't know if you've noticed or not but all of KVR is bizzaro land.....

ive done my best to make it that way, but you all keep fighting back!!!

but please, look above, that was a serious well thought out reply to your query

[vurt]

Anyway I'm in to the studio now so please feel free to call me full of shit or an idiot or anything else that makes you feel better and brings joy to your day.

i never called you either!!!
i made a little joke about textbook definitions!!!

[Stokely]

I'll admit it--I have too many channel strips. One I probably wouldn't have gotten (4000G) if 9000J had been included in the PA sales. I ended up getting 9000J to go along with 4000G and Lindell 80. I use Lindell 80 a lot, I like what it does to most tracks even without doing much EQ-ing (I find the EQ controls pretty annoying to use with a mouse, it's a case where trying to look just like the console doesn't make a ton of sense in a computer plugin...but that's just my 2c!)

I've also got several preamp emulations that I forget I have most of the time, more options for coloration.

[The_Ogre]

Anyway let me give a practical example. Say I've got one of their TMT channel strips on 16 tracks of a song.

When I hit "Random Channel All" it does this.


TMT.png


So all 16 channels strips are set to random pairs. What are the possible outcomes?

It makes some channels sound better and some worse and some it makes no discernible difference at all and in any combination.

So you have to go back and check all 16 tracks to see "does the snare sound better or worse now or has it made any difference at all?" or the kick or the guitar etc etc.

Now I'm not hating on the strips themselves and in fact I like the Console N shown above.

It's just that I find TMT to be more marketing hype than an actually useful feature in my personal experience with several of the PA channel strips.

I'm sure others will no doubt disagree and I don't say that makes them full of sh*t I just say that makes them perfect customers for TMT.

I tend to 'randomize' my channels, when using TMT, exactly when I put the CS on the channel, choosing different channels for each track. May not the exactly intention of the TMT and the randomize stuff, but this way I don't run the risk of get some nasty results randomizing later.


But generally, I use the strips more to the character of the input and EQ, together with another console emulation (Britson, Satson or some of the AlexB libraries for Acustica Audio Nebula).

[The_Ogre]

I'll admit it--I have too many channel strips. One I probably wouldn't have gotten (4000G) if 9000J had been included in the PA sales. I ended up getting 9000J to go along with 4000G and Lindell 80. I use Lindell 80 a lot, I like what it does to most tracks even without doing much EQ-ing (I find the EQ controls pretty annoying to use with a mouse, it's a case where trying to look just like the console doesn't make a ton of sense in a computer plugin...but that's just my 2c!)

I've also got several preamp emulations that I forget I have most of the time, more options for coloration.

From PA, the CSs I use the most are Focusrite, 9000J and Lindell 80, the last one with the Buss too. So, I'm really tempted to grab the Lindell 50, as I like the sound API imparts in some stuff (am using some Acustica Audio plugin, like Pink, for that, but as they're heavy as hell, having the possibility of mixing them with some algos will always be welcome).

[rezoneight]

Anyway I'm in to the studio now so please feel free to call me full of shit or an idiot or anything else that makes you feel better and brings joy to your day.

i never called you either!!!
i made a little joke about textbook definitions!!!

You didn't. I said he was full of shit 11 months ago.

So you have to go back and check all 16 tracks to see "does the snare sound better or worse now or has it made any difference at all?" or the kick or the guitar etc etc.

Or not. Maybe once. Then always use certain channels for certain things like they would have done on a console. Like the sound of channel 3 on guitar? Keep putting guitar on that channel. Or just turn it off.

[jamcat]

Then always use certain channels for certain things like they would have done on a console. Like the sound of channel 3 on guitar? Keep putting guitar on that channel.

This is super-good advice.
The channel responses themselves aren't randomized, only which channel is applied. So channel 4 will always sound like channel 4. Recording studios that were around for any length of time tended to build up a lot of superstition, and "magic channels" was among the most common. Certain channels would become the de facto channel to use for certain instruments, like vocals or guitars. TMT allows you to create your own mythology ITB.