Bitwig Studio 4.1 Beta release is imminent

[pdxindy]

Same for every note? If you wanted non-linear portamento, you could've simply draw the pitch curve for notes that required it right there in the piano roll.

Slap a modulator on that bad boy and it's not the same for every note.

Also this works with notes that aren't on the piano roll, like live incoming MIDI and the results of other note FX. So that makes it pretty cool in my book. I can't draw automation curves for notes I haven't even played yet...

Plus you can modulate the Bend time and curve which you cannot do with automation... for example, by velocity.

I can also use a Note FX Layer and split incoming midi in various ways so some notes bend and others don't. It is quite powerful and flexible.

[taoyoyo]

The Color palette thing is much welcomed [ would be totally made up with just one more row of color options though ] and maybe the HW Instrument improvements will be handy. All the randomization devices are not really my bag. Nothing that hasn't already been added to add really. I'm glad that it's possible to import Live stuff, wish it was also possible to import BW to Live!

[machinesworking]

I'm glad that it's possible to import Live stuff, wish it was also possible to import BW to Live!

this is a different subject, but yes, a universal import export format would be fantastic. It looks like Ableton Link is getting huge improvements geared towards it being a replacement for deprecated Rewire, now if only we had a universal format for import export.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Honestly, what are the Bitwig devs thinking??

Might be fun devices for 10 users in the world, but not for the vast majority. Then I don't understand that they implement a midi time randomizer module, but NOT a midi shuffle module then, which would be 100 times more useful, for easy shuffle per track. So weird.

No MSEG, no midi recording takes, no always-on recording, no vst undo.

Basically they refuse to add any common sense feature which still is missing.

What now? This has to end...


EDIT: Well, at least it seems to me that the macos gui speed has been improved. That would be useful!

okok I stop now, but actually I find this a bit frustrating. Why not make surveys about new features, just like Presonus does?

[PhilipVasta]

Also can we get away from the harsh characterization of people voicing disappointment as "bitching and moaning"? I love Bitwig, but I'm not their cheerleader. I'm paying for the product.

Most of it truly is bitching and moaning. Bitwig doesn't monitor this forum or collect development feature suggestions here. For it not to be bitching and moaning, you need to talk to the people who can actually make the changes, and that would be Bitwig.

However, people do collaborate here and help each other, and diagnose bugs together. There is occasionally good stuff and good conversation. Random reinforcement is that mythical milkshake that brings all the "boys" to the yard.

That said, KVR is almost 80% bitching and moaning. So, I have just come to accept that you have to dig through a metric ton of $hit to get to the good stuff here.

I don't think expressing frustrations about a piece of software amongst the community that uses it instantly qualifies it as "bitching and moaning", which is a wording deliberately used to cast it in a negative light by people who don't agree with it.

Also, I would take that any day over the smug, arrogant comments made by some here who are perfectly satisfied with Bitwig. The opinion is fine, the attitude is gross.

[pdxindy]

nice gentle piece - just the sort of thing I like doing as well. I prefer a lot of dedicated simple to use and understand midi modules, like here, rather than building from scratch like in Loomer Architect (which is useless for me).

thanks...

Besides the Grid not having Midi out, it also takes some mental thinking to figure out how to do sequencing stuff.

With the Note FX I find it easier conceptually to go from point A to point B. That short test I did was the first thing I tried with the new Note FX. I started with an idea and in 10 minutes ended up with the envisioned result. That is a short learning curve!

For example, the next thing I'm about to try is add a Note FX Layer, add a Filter for a specific note, add a Multi-Note to create a specific chord, then add the Strum. Repeat with different filtered notes and chords as many times as one wants. Now I have a device to play different strummed chords. That is deterministic, not generative. There are some misconceptions that it is all generative and random and thus not useful.

[coroknight]

Also can we get away from the harsh characterization of people voicing disappointment as "bitching and moaning"? I love Bitwig, but I'm not their cheerleader. I'm paying for the product.

Most of it truly is bitching and moaning. Bitwig doesn't monitor this forum or collect development feature suggestions here. For it not to be bitching and moaning, you need to talk to the people who can actually make the changes, and that would be Bitwig.

However, people do collaborate here and help each other, and diagnose bugs together. There is occasionally good stuff and good conversation. Random reinforcement is that mythical milkshake that brings all the "boys" to the yard.

That said, KVR is almost 80% bitching and moaning. So, I have just come to accept that you have to dig through a metric ton of $hit to get to the good stuff here.

I don't think expressing frustrations about a piece of software amongst the community that uses it instantly qualifies it as "bitching and moaning", which is a wording deliberately used to cast it in a negative light by people who don't agree with it.

Also, I would take that any day over the smug, arrogant comments made by some here who are perfectly satisfied with Bitwig. The opinion is fine, the attitude is gross.

There are a lot of people who are too emotionally weak to handle any negativity. They could be given a pile of shit and find a way to justify it because apparently that's better than letting the bad thoughts in.

[Obsolete485692]

How can f. e. Bend work if there is no way change Cents between BW and VST?
I think only few top most boring BW note devices works for vst and that does not counts.

Perhaps you should download the beta and try it before declaring what it does and doesn't do.

I just used Bend in front of u-he Hive and it worked.

I think it works on vst supporting MPE - and that is not the case of Zebra (and wont be I guess) - so boooring.

[u-u-u]

Just a sketch when playing around with the new note physics:

Note Physics Test 01.zip

It's fun I think

[mholloway]

There are a lot of people who are too emotionally weak to handle any negativity. They could be given a pile of shit and find a way to justify it because apparently that's better than letting the bad thoughts in.

I think you're in the wrong place, dude. If you're this desperate to show off your superiority over others, maybe find a better venue than a computer music gear forum.

[antic604]

I think you're in the wrong place, dude. If you're this desperate to show off your superiority over others, maybe find a better venue than a computer music gear forum.

Pretty rich coming from someone accusing others of "bitching and moaning" and having "limited imagination"

[billcarroll]

Also can we get away from the harsh characterization of people voicing disappointment as "bitching and moaning"? I love Bitwig, but I'm not their cheerleader. I'm paying for the product.

Most of it truly is bitching and moaning. Bitwig doesn't monitor this forum or collect development feature suggestions here. For it not to be bitching and moaning, you need to talk to the people who can actually make the changes, and that would be Bitwig.

However, people do collaborate here and help each other, and diagnose bugs together. There is occasionally good stuff and good conversation. Random reinforcement is that mythical milkshake that brings all the "boys" to the yard.

That said, KVR is almost 80% bitching and moaning. So, I have just come to accept that you have to dig through a metric ton of $hit to get to the good stuff here.

I don't think expressing frustrations about a piece of software amongst the community that uses it instantly qualifies it as "bitching and moaning", which is a wording deliberately used to cast it in a negative light by people who don't agree with it.

Also, I would take that any day over the smug, arrogant comments made by some here who are perfectly satisfied with Bitwig. The opinion is fine, the attitude is gross.

There is a distinction to be made between collaborative work and discussion, and just plain relentless bitching and negativity.

There is a lot to be improved in Bitwig, and every DAW, but constant complaining on KVR is just mental masturbation. It does no good, creates negativity, and simply isn't constructive. Bitwig doesn't read these forums, so it's just idle negative and often mean-spirited gossip that's worth less than nothing.

That said, nobody is going to control the users here who are constant complainers. They will continue to bitch and complain. It's a waste of time and space.

[PhilipVasta]

Also can we get away from the harsh characterization of people voicing disappointment as "bitching and moaning"? I love Bitwig, but I'm not their cheerleader. I'm paying for the product.

Most of it truly is bitching and moaning. Bitwig doesn't monitor this forum or collect development feature suggestions here. For it not to be bitching and moaning, you need to talk to the people who can actually make the changes, and that would be Bitwig.

However, people do collaborate here and help each other, and diagnose bugs together. There is occasionally good stuff and good conversation. Random reinforcement is that mythical milkshake that brings all the "boys" to the yard.

That said, KVR is almost 80% bitching and moaning. So, I have just come to accept that you have to dig through a metric ton of $hit to get to the good stuff here.

I don't think expressing frustrations about a piece of software amongst the community that uses it instantly qualifies it as "bitching and moaning", which is a wording deliberately used to cast it in a negative light by people who don't agree with it.

Also, I would take that any day over the smug, arrogant comments made by some here who are perfectly satisfied with Bitwig. The opinion is fine, the attitude is gross.

There is a distinction to be made between collaborative work and discussion, and just plain relentless bitching and negativity.

There is a lot to be improved in Bitwig, and every DAW, but constant complaining on KVR is just mental masturbation. It does no good, creates negativity, and simply isn't constructive. Bitwig doesn't read these forums, so it's just idle negative and often mean-spirited gossip that's worth less than nothing.

That said, nobody is going to control the users here who are constant complainers. They will continue to bitch and complain. It's a waste of time and space.

I think we're on the same page. I agree that the forum is best used in a constructive way, and frustrated posts often get out of hand.

[Dionysos]

As a developer you can't win. You do frequent small updates, you lose because it's not enough, you do rare big bang releases and it takes too long.

What seems weird to me about the complaining is how common the idea seems to be that one feature added somehow means some other feature either isn't being worked on or will never be developed because the devs have completely lost their plot or something.

It seems to be hard to just take the update for what it is, rather than a sign of Bitwig's overall future-and-forever direction and priorities.

We just got a bunch of new toys to play with that we didn't have before. If you don't need them (I know I don't for the most part), it's very easy to ignore. I'm pretty confident that those plugins weren't the only thing the Bitwig devs have been working on, they're just the only thing that was released just now. Would you have preferred it if they had waited to release them?

[pdxindy]

As a developer you can't win. You do frequent small updates, you lose because it's not enough, you do rare big bang releases and it takes too long.

And no matter what features you put in, there will be unhappy people. Here is what someone posted about the recent Logic 10.7 update:

"But there’s nothing here for more creative uses of modulation, generative composition"