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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:14 pm

Hive Feature Suggestion

A new LFO mode - khz (rate knob adjusts up and down) and which tracks the keyboard. Good for a bit of FM type fun and adds no GUI elements or additional parameters.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:57 pm

Hehehe, but then we would have to increase the modulation control rate for the ModMatrix and lose all the CPU advantages that we currently have.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:21 pm

Could leave the control rate as is... call it classic lo-fi FM

I've been doing some FM-ish stuff with the LFO's... getting some organic and unique, compelling percussion sounds!

Even just a faster time based option would be useful. The fastest LFO speed is with 1/64 and the rate knob up and project tempo at 136 (tempo above that stops increasing LFO speed). But then different project tempos make presets sound wildly different. 0.1s with the rate knob up is considerably slower. So even a simple option for 0.01s so that it could reach the current max would be very helpful for saving presets. If it could go even a bit faster (doesn't need keytracking) that would be gravy.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:14 pm

Urs wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:57 pm Hehehe, but then we would have to increase the modulation control rate for the ModMatrix and lose all the CPU advantages that we currently have.

Why not going the synapse audio route with different options for modulation speed? So that the audio rate modulation could be just switched off when it's not needed.

I do second the Pdxindy suggestion!

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:20 pm

I'm guessing urs will say ppl will complain its suddenly a cpu hog if they don't realise its switched on

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:53 pm

recursive one wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:14 pm
Urs wrote: Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:57 pm Hehehe, but then we would have to increase the modulation control rate for the ModMatrix and lose all the CPU advantages that we currently have.
Why not going the synapse audio route with different options for modulation speed? So that the audio rate modulation could be just switched off when it's not needed.

I do second the Pdxindy suggestion!

It would largely mean a rewrite. The code is written to do certain things in blocks of samples, e.g. parameter interpolation. We can probably compile the whole thing to use a smaller block size. But we can't easily change the block size on the fly. So, by our design, which has pros and cons, one of the cons is that increasing control rate and thus lowering block size doesn't lend itself to dynamic switching, such that faster modulations using the ModMatrix inherently increase CPU load - even for patches where you wouldn't need it. There are pros, too. One of them is a low CPU hit despite the modular nature of our plug-in foundation.

I have spent a lot of time experimenting with various control rate settings in Hive and I'm convinced that for the current set of features, a higher control rate - and the CPU impact this has - is not justified. I'm also precious about the very low CPU foot print of Hive in real world situations, and it would mean a lot of pain to me to give that up.

Hive simply isn't meant to be an FM/CrossMod synth. Not every synth can excel at everything.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:54 pm

AnX wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:20 pm I'm guessing urs will say ppl will complain its suddenly a cpu hog if they don't realise its switched on

That, too.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:07 pm

Okay, I see. Thanks for the explanation!

In the meantime, when I need fmed/synced sounds in hive I just load the serum ssq wavetable

or some of the factory ones.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:21 pm

Urs wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:53 pmI have spent a lot of time experimenting with various control rate settings in Hive and I'm convinced that for the current set of features, a higher control rate - and the CPU impact this has - is not justified. I'm also precious about the very low CPU foot print of Hive in real world situations, and it would mean a lot of pain to me to give that up.

Hive simply isn't meant to be an FM/CrossMod synth. Not every synth can excel at everything.

That is totally fine...

It would still be very useful to have a non-tempo based setting for the LFO that was as fast as the fastest tempo based one. Even a touch faster if possible (without any change to control rate).

I've been getting some unique and beautiful percussion sounds using the LFO at FM-ish rates but it is pointless to save presets cause changing tempo completely changes the sound. So I've been recording single hits and making Sampler instruments.

surreal · Post by **surreal** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:00 pm

What would be the best synth for cross modulation and osc sync Urs.. Ace, Diva or Repro?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:18 pm

That’s a matter of taste. Repro is probably the most advanced in that respect, but it also probably the most harshly sounding.

sinemotor · Post by **sinemotor** » Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:09 pm

Urs wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:18 pm That’s a matter of taste. Repro is probably the most advanced in that respect, but it also probably the most harshly sounding.

Hi Urs,

Have you ever considered implementing a Bend +/- mode for Hive wavetable oscillators ? Thanks!

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:51 pm

sinemotor wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:09 pmBend +/- mode

What does that mean? Is that something like Symmetry?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:02 pm

Yeah, phase distorting the wavetable readout pointer akin to what Massive/Serum have.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:21 pm

With a single parameter or with another curve?

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