Reason free trial is gone. Now they charge 1$ to the equivalent of free trial

[kmonkey]

it's funny you mention that, given your OP bangs on about how people are writing about it at said forum. I went to have a look and found the thread I posted. I didn't find much in the way of people being up in arms just that thread.

but, go on, keep foaming at the mouth. the torches and pitchforks brigade round here seem to be constantly willing to show up even if they're not at that other forum.

I truly don't understand your point. Allow me to ask you a question (no hidden agenda).

If I am not satisfied with their business model or unannounced tactics am I not allowed to post my findings on some 3rd party forum?

Or I am but I need to do this in some specific way so no one is offended by it? (which seems impossible)

Why do you feel I owe it to you (or to some specific unofficial community) - to align to your way of posting?

Now I'll try to explain myself better

This is a public forum. I didn't call names, didn't post anything inappropriate or inaccurate. If I did show me. If you can't stand my information in the way it's presented and you think I am holding pitchforks you can simply mute me or don't follow this thread.

I am a Reason user and I can post my opinion about everything connected to it. My opinion is just my opinion man. Take it with a grain of salt. Yes it's hot peppers sauce over it but it's not inaccurate information.

I did find their latest tactic a bit sneaky if you will. There are certain pitfalls in their latest groundbreaking model. As far as I can see even your friends at reasontalk aren't happy about it.

So you are making a devil and a troll of me but the fact that at the same time Reasonstudios removed free trial and CC is required only to be able to fully trial their product (while at the same time no DAW company in the world does it) is somehow all flowers and I don't get to talk about it.

They removed the free trial. Boooo. End of the world as we know it.

Seriously mute me and your day is better.

[gaggle of hermits]

dude, did you read your OP?

"something is fishy". come on, now.

you can post where you like, mate. and so can I. so don't start with the "poor widdle me, people just won't let me do things" act just because someone points out things are a bit different from how you portray them. maybe it's you who should be more active with the mute button. my day is fine.

I'm just finding it richly entertaining if not ironic how someone complaining about people with time on their hands speculating on fender/presonus instantly goes and starts stirring it up with some other product.

[kmonkey]

Here he comes the dude again Not answering any of my question of course

dude, did you read your OP?
"something is fishy". come on, now.

So...you're not finding unannounced free trial removal, CC requirement, manual need to opt out - fishy ? Ok I do. What now? Do we need to call European Union to ask them can I have your allowance to call this fishy

you can post where you like, mate. and so can I. so don't start with the "poor widdle me, people just won't let me do things" act just because someone points out things are a bit different from how you portray them.

Did I just had dejavu moment

"poor widdle me"...ahaha if you feel you touched my emotions you need to review that again. I haven't posted anything "a bit different" I posted that they removed free trial. This is not my subjective opinion. This is a fact.

Fishy is my subjective opinion. I am not going to apologize about that. So again let me ask you why do you feel I owe it to you ? Why do I need to "portray" things in way you find them acceptable?

I'm just finding it richly entertaining if not ironic how someone complaining about people with time on their hands speculating on fender/presonus instantly goes and starts stirring it up with some other product.

Ahh creepy dude mode is on. You are finding it entertaining how I have so much time ony my hands yet at the same time you post at exactly the same rate as I do and not only that - in between you have time to browse my history and make a genius "profile" out of me.

Priceless comedy  

Accept it. Reasonstudios just made yet another shitty move. You may call me an idiot, troll whatever and I might be just that but your friends at reasontalk are crying at the same rate. We all must be idiots

You are brilliant seriously.

[jens]

but, go on, keep foaming at the mouth. the torches and pitchforks brigade round here seem to be constantly willing to show up even if they're not at that other forum.

I don't see anyone foaming or waving pitchforks - I only see people being fed up with heaps of sad crap on one side and fanboiz who are blind and deaf to facts and reason (no pun intended) and will stoop down to any level in an attempt to defend their precious on the other side.

[excuse me please]

The irony. It all started when someone asked: "Would it be reasonable to charge people for a free trial?"

[chk071]

I don't see any mention of a trial on Reason Studios website. I only see a "$1 for the first month" offer. So, technically, saying that the trial costs $1 is wrong, because, there is no trial. There's only a subscription that you can get for $1 for the first month, $19.99/month after that, and you can buy a perpetual license for $499.

[excuse me please]

I don't see any mention of a trial on Reason Studios website. I only see a "$1 for the first month" offer. So, technically, saying that the trial costs $1 is wrong, because, there is no trial. There's only a subscription that you can get for $1 for the first month, $19.99/month after that, and you can buy a perpetual license for $499.

Hate to disappoint you, but technically they DO sell it that way: "TRY Reason+ $1 for 30 days."

[fairlyclose]

Seems a reasonable deal to me - much better than sample libraries for example where you just have to trust the ads and cant return or sell the product when you find the ad wildly exaggerates the product.
Maybe it was costing too much to make available for free where most downloads were never even used or barely used. Introducing a co-payment is a method for reducing that sort of wasteful behaviour

[chk071]

I don't see any mention of a trial on Reason Studios website. I only see a "$1 for the first month" offer. So, technically, saying that the trial costs $1 is wrong, because, there is no trial. There's only a subscription that you can get for $1 for the first month, $19.99/month after that, and you can buy a perpetual license for $499.

Hate to disappoint you, but technically they DO sell it that way: "TRY Reason+ $1 for 30 days."

They say that you can try Reason+. Not Reason.

So, if anything, the trial for the Reason+ subscription costs you $1. Even though that is hardly a trial, when you keep being subscribed after that. More of a "first month 95% off" offer.

[kmonkey]

I don't see any mention of a trial on Reason Studios website. I only see a "$1 for the first month" offer. So, technically, saying that the trial costs $1 is wrong, because, there is no trial.

True that.

Which is why I said on the first page several times that in order for anyone to trial in the sense "trial" was possible up until yesterday - the only option is to provide CC.
But this isn't a trial anymore you can only look at it or "consider" it trial.

First they had a truly  "free" trial for 30 days. Then for some reason they decreased that to 7 days. Then yesterday they removed it completely. There is no free trial anymore - I cleared that several times on the first page and the only alternative to the "free trial" is 30 days of subscription for 1$.

It's semantics now. Perhaps deliberate from their side (bold speculation).

If you think my reasoning or thinking about this is unique head over at reasontalk - as far as I can see others share similar reasoning (no pun intended). That they either deliberately obfuscated "trial" and converted it into 1$ subscription for 30 days or trial is entirely gone.

Should I change title to: Reason free trial is gone. Now they charge 1$ to the equivalent of free trial

[chk071]

I also noticed that they're pushing their subscription scheme hard recently. I couldn't even find the perpetual license offering on their site anymore, a few months ago. But, they changed a lot of things in the recent past. VST support, rack plugin. They've gone through a phase of pretty radical change.

It's fine. I think everyone of us has a head with a brain inside, and can decide for himself what to do.

[melomood]

add 'of the subscription service but you can still demo the software' and you're golden

[kmonkey]

Seems a reasonable deal to me - much better than sample libraries for example where you just have to trust the ads and cant return or sell the product when you find the ad wildly exaggerates the product.
Maybe it was costing too much to make available for free where most downloads were never even used or barely used. Introducing a co-payment is a method for reducing that sort of wasteful behaviour

We are not debating deals here, we're debating removal of a free trial. If it was costly to have free trials then we wouldn't have free trials existing out there at all in this industry yet for some reason all other DAW companies are offering free trials to anyone. In fact many other software is free to trial in other categories. In fact Reason 12 is around 3-5 GB of data.

Native Instruments is offering 6GB of data for free.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/s ... -versions/

You can trial other stuff from NI which alone is more then 20 GB of data - for free. That's just like one example.

[kmonkey]

add 'of the subscription service but you can still demo the software' and you're golden

As chk071 pointed out - title was misleading because there's no trial anymore. So I just changed title from: Reason free trial is gone. Now they charge 1$ to trial

to

Reason free trial is gone. Now they charge 1$ to the equivalent of free trial

Which is completely correct.

[melomood]

I thought NI did that after a fair amount of it had aged