Cubase 12 leaked on Steinberg's site

[chk071]

One of the fundamental rules of DAW hygiene... what a bullshit!

If you choose to fly by the seat of your pants, that's your business.

It's no either or. Just your opinion. With which I wholeheartedly disagree.

[vurt]

its true, they tell me.
the amount of pms i get telling me im useless/pointless/stupid, do they really think i give a feck?

[EnGee]

anger is an energy

i use kvr to power my modular.

You get a lot of energy. I barely charging my phone with it!

i annoy a lot more people

That's why then! It explained why BONES gets $5 monthly bill!

Sorry! Off topic! Or is it?!
Ok it's 97%! That's enough for today! Bye

[Dunbar]

It's no either or. Just your opinion. With which I wholeheartedly disagree.

I told you my options, not my opinion.

If I shared my unabridged "opinion" I would be sectioned.

[PAK]

Chill out, he says. After pages of angry mega posts about how shitty Steinberg is.

But I'm not angry. You keep presuming to know what other people think and feel, and then repeatedly inject that into discussions. If a thread is about a company doing something you consider negative, guess which direction the posts go? Guess when people post more? When a company solves a problem or when they do something which they think causes one? And you've been on forums for how long?

You realize how weird that sounds?

If things sound weird to you, perhaps it suggests you struggle to appreciate nuance. I think most people tend to know that the world is not black and white. That Steinberg can indeed be "shitty" (your words), at least in certain aspects, and yet you still use their products. This is particularly true of hosts, where there are multiple reasons which cause inertia.. Workflow, others who use it too, specific hardware controllers etc etc. Again, these sorts of things (should) be entirely obvious, but they aren't to you. And such bickering is a waste of my time, and only serves to drag things further off-topic. Once again, please only reply to me if you're directly addressing the topic. Which isn't me, and I'm not flattered by the attention, so move on..

Seriously, if I would be so pissed off about a company, I wouldn't buy their products anymore. I'm no masochist though, so, maybe that's why.

No, it's because you're taking your own situation and attempting to apply it to others when it simply doesn't apply. You appear to struggle to understand issues outside of your own lived experience, and this is another example of that. Do I have to now continue to list a plethora of other factors which influence things in this particular case? There's many more issues than the few I mentioned above. Do I need to spell them all out? (The answer for you is, obviously, yes.. )

Is this going to nudge me towards alternatives? Of course. EG I moved more towards UVI when I noticed Steinberg were failing to perform the most basic of bug-checks on HALion (though the problem was solved quickly in that particular instance, which is good). Speaking more generally, whilst Yamaha are likely to be a better bet for longevity than many other owners, I think their focus on hitting that yearly release target has also not always been the best thing for the quality of Steinberg's software. The irony is also not lost on me that this is one of the arguments in favour of moving to subscription models..

I have no issue with them doing that BTW, provided they provided (non-server side) true perpetual licenses, or they figure out a way to create some sort of import/export tool, which isn't tied to their cloud service, and means people can continue to have a way to access, examine, and export their data even if their cloud service should ever stop existing.

[vurt]

magick 8 balls say : this will not end...

[PAK]

magick 8 balls say : this will not end...

Much like my efforts to remove a snapped optical cable the other night then.. But I proved it wrong then, and I can do it again. I just hope it doesn't involve another hour of "chiselling".

[vurt]

magick 8 balls say : this will not end...

Much like my efforts to remove a snapped optical cable the other night then.. But I proved it wrong then, and I can do it again. I just hope it doesn't involve another hour of "chiselling".

for future, maybe a very thing screw, get the thread in a few twists, then it should pull out.
failing that, needle, superglue

top tips for pulling shit out of holes!

[Freaqpeak]

^

Large professional studios do have Internet connection ... and backup via the network and even use cloudservices.

You can have a secure and stable environment while having an Internet connection - OFCOURSE.

Bedroom studio users with a lot of cracked software are the ones wanting no Internet connection while using their pirated software....... for obvious reasons.

I have always had an Internet connection to my personal DAW since the 90's and also in shared studios... it was never a problem.
You dont even need CPU intensive antivirus or software firewalls. Its all about basic IT knowledge....

Just a quick burn of that strawman.
I have no cracked software, do not pirate, and prefer to have as much disconnect from internet as I can achieve.
And there's a difference between "stable" and optimized.

But why then????
There are zero reasons not to connect to a secure network with todays OS's and chipsets. If you engage in sensitive information (national security, military) sure... but for a simple audio workstation. Do you still make backups on external usb disks and move them physically each day?
Burn CD's? Talk about making life harder than it can be in 2021.
Updating software must be a pain!
If you think connecting an Ethernet cable makes your system unoptimized, you are not going by facts at all, only feelings.. sorry but you will not have more CPU at hand or lower latency by connecting an Ethernet cable to your computer. It is not 1994.
It is so ridicolous if you think about it...

[Trancit]

Just a quick burn of that strawman.
I have no cracked software, do not pirate, and prefer to have as much disconnect from internet as I can achieve.
And there's a difference between "stable" and optimized.

I really would love to see the researches and the results from your measurements to prove (for yourself to make that decision) that your machine is more optimized for your DAW when it´s disconnected from the Internet...

Everything else is nothing but hot air!

[Trancit]

It's no either or. Just your opinion. With which I wholeheartedly disagree.

I told you my options, not my opinion.

If I shared my unabridged "opinion" I would be sectioned.

No... all you said is nothing but assumptions and your paranoia... this doesn´t make it more true...

Sorry, but as long as just one person experienced the same "safety" without any restrictions it proves that the restrictions are wrong as a general rule...

[BBFG#]

Just a quick burn of that strawman.
I have no cracked software, do not pirate, and prefer to have as much disconnect from internet as I can achieve.
And there's a difference between "stable" and optimized.

I really would love to see the researches and the results from your measurements to prove (for yourself to make that decision) that your machine is more optimized for your DAW when it´s disconnected from the Internet...

Everything else is nothing but hot air!

Simple. When it runs less resources, it runs more efficient. And with no internal communication card, less voltage that can produce noise. I got from some other studios a batch file to specifically turn those off before running studio programs, but now, they aren't needed.

And yes, air pressure is relative also.

[Dunbar]

If you think connecting an Ethernet cable makes your system unoptimized...

Personally, I strip out networking completely to optimise a "lite" OS.

[Passing Bye]

Sometimes a network card can indeed cause more DPC latency.

[Dunbar]

No... all you said is nothing but assumptions and your paranoia...

It is a fact the internet is an enabler of myriad attack vectors.

And, why risk exposure to monsters from the id just so Charlie Steinberg can trail his hoary fingertips over your delicate nethers?