Cubase 11 Pro or Studio One 5 Pro

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xbitz
KVRAF
3526 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:44 pm

Trancer wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:58 pm
Many thanks for your answers.

I don't plan on using notation, so the Artist version should meet my needs at first.

It is true that Studio One has a less cluttered screen than Cubase.

What is a shame with Cubase, the screen is overloaded and does not help to understand it.

What Cubase lacks is a dedicated control surface, like a faderport for Studio One.

What also bothers me with Cubase, some people revert to old versions, because tools have been removed which facilitates the work, stability, not great anyway.

When you upgrade to a higher version, it's for the better, not for turning back the clock.

It is true that each has its advantages and disadvantages.

But I no longer think of going to Studio One, moreover the faderport is a tool which at some point will be essential for me and has a perfect integration with Studio One which will be essential for my use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vryZTmZT6CM
mustn't judge too harshly :) perfectly usable in Cubase too just works better with S1, btw. worth to mention it can emit CC values too from this firmware update https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... -20.90005/
...PreSonus replying to a post there about the CC functionality: they released a firmware update TODAY (2/26/20) that allows up so switch between modes without rebooting! If this works that's huge. Press two buttons and go between full Cubase control (or your DAW of choice, it supports several) and MIDI CC. Nice! No reason why assignable CCs aren't in the future. And the firmware is free, they're doing these updates with no revenue (well, OK, hopeful increased sales)....
so in CC althought there is no motorized feedback :(
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https://forums.steinberg.net/t/motorize ... l/590361/8
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Gadget Fiend
Banned
434 posts since 5 Feb, 2012

Post Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:57 pm

One important Cubase feature for me is the ability to dump the patches for my external hardware synths at the start of their Cubase tracks so that my sounds are all recalled months or even years later when I reopen the project. Studio One doesn't record SysEx for some incomprehensible reason. So I would have to rely on a third party SysEx utility to record my patch data which is not nearly as convenient as being able to store the patch data for all my hardware synths in their respective Cubase projects.
Matrix-1000, MicroWave with Access programmer, MicroWave II, MKS-50 with MidiClub programmer, MKS-70, MKS-80 with Kiwi Patch Editor, Nord 2 Rack, Nord 3 Rack, Prophet REV2 module, Pulse 2, Shruthi, Virus TI

oneway
KVRist
381 posts since 11 Dec, 2017

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:31 am

This isn't necessarily related to your stated composition style and workflow, but I think it's important to note-

Cubase is much more popular than Studio One in general, let alone with composers. Where this can make a big difference is in support for less than the latest OS/hardware combo. Cubase still issues stability updates for previous versions of the software. They have more than a million users if I'm not mistaken. Issues with 3+ year old hardware/OS setups get noticed and fixed.

Studio One has somewhere between 100k and 200k users. They aim for the most common and current hardware/OS combos and that's it. You might be one of three people that notice and report a particular issue. Your 3-year old computer might be considered "old" and bugs affecting it might be deemed not worth fixing.

These are just my observations and it could obviously change if Studio One becomes more popular or the team that develops it grows in size, but over the years this was the aspect that led me to regretfully use Studio One much less in my business.

chk071
KVRAF
30651 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:34 am

oneway wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:31 am
Cubase still issues stability updates for previous versions of the software. They have more than a million users if I'm not mistaken.
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Studio One has somewhere between 100k and 200k users.
Any source for these figures? I'm genuinley interested.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

oneway
KVRist
381 posts since 11 Dec, 2017

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:37 am

I seem to recall the Cubase figure being mentioned in that anniversary sale promotion. The S1 figure was in a livestream I think, probably when version 5 was launched?

They're both obviously pretty inflated due to pack-in versions of the DAW with interfaces and digital recorders, but the ratio still impacts the visibility of hardware issues.

chk071
KVRAF
30651 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:39 am

Ok.

I'd be really curious about some comparison figures between the different DAW's. I have no illusions that Studio One is far behind Cubase, but, they surely snuffed up some part of the market.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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syntonica
KVRian
1234 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:35 am

chk071 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:39 am
Ok.

I'd be really curious about some comparison figures between the different DAW's. I have no illusions that Studio One is far behind Cubase, but, they surely snuffed up some part of the market.
I guess this is where phone-home telemetry comes into play so they can see which versions are being used and how often. I have several versions of Cubase/Live Lite that maybe were installed once for five minutes, or have never been installed. Then, there's the newer phenomenon of users who install AND use multiple DAWs. But yeah, I'm really curious to know these figures for all the different DAWs as well.

oneway
KVRist
381 posts since 11 Dec, 2017

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:50 am

chk071 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:39 am
Ok.

I'd be really curious about some comparison figures between the different DAW's. I have no illusions that Studio One is far behind Cubase, but, they surely snuffed up some part of the market.
The data on this is scattered all over the place and rarely comes with qualifiers (paid vs Lite, current version users). A lot of it is based on internet polls and search engine data which doesn't really tell you much.

The only real accurate data I've ever seen regarding DAW usage limited it to targeted samples. There was an article from a couple years ago that focused on which DAWs were used to mix charting records. I believe that broke down to roughly 85% Pro Tools, 10% Logic, and the other 5% was split between Cubase and "Other." But charting records does not = general usage, obviously.

AVID is a publicly traded company so maybe their quarterly reports include some market data if you want to dig through it.

Sindikhate
KVRist
403 posts since 26 Jun, 2016

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:18 pm

I do not want to go into depth...but

Cubase is what you want-need! Even with Steinberg's new ideas about licensing.

Regarding figures.. at the retail level in Europe Cubase is on top, has always been.

https://www.thomann.de/intl/cat_rank.ht ... 29&gk=SWSQ

kritikon
KVRAF
5689 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:27 pm

oneway wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:31 am
This isn't necessarily related to your stated composition style and workflow, but I think it's important to note-

Cubase still issues stability updates for previous versions of the software.
Really? I hadn't heard that before - never seen updates on old versions (I'm a Cubase user, not dissing Steinberg). When did they do that? I always thought once a new version was out that's it - you have what you have with the older versions...

PAK
KVRian
1138 posts since 20 Feb, 2003

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:49 pm

I think you could likely glean more from Google Trends than going by Thomann's chart, unless you also want to believe Ableton ranks 17th in any European country? ;)

If you want a better idea then there's stuff like this (aimed at informing retailers / manufacturers) https://www.misalestrak.com/
kritikon wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:27 pm
Really? I hadn't heard that before - never seen updates on old versions (I'm a Cubase user, not dissing Steinberg). When did they do that? I always thought once a new version was out that's it - you have what you have with the older versions...
For a long time.. at least back to when they started doing x.5 versions and switched to a yearly release schedule. You'd usually get "one last update" after the new version was out. Maybe someone remembers this better but, IIRC (at least someone told me! ;) ), at one point they marked the "final" update with a specific version number (x.x.25? or something) to signify it was probably the last time you should expect one. Would need to check back old final version numbers to see if there was any truth to this :D

oneway
KVRist
381 posts since 11 Dec, 2017

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:15 pm

kritikon wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:27 pm
oneway wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:31 am
This isn't necessarily related to your stated composition style and workflow, but I think it's important to note-

Cubase still issues stability updates for previous versions of the software.
Really? I hadn't heard that before - never seen updates on old versions (I'm a Cubase user, not dissing Steinberg). When did they do that? I always thought once a new version was out that's it - you have what you have with the older versions...
The latest update to 10.5 was in March of 2021, many months after 11 was released. They don't update them for too long, but it's helpful. Presonus tends to fit a ton of bug fixes into their first release of the new version but if your hardware doesn't support it there's no way to benefit from those fixes.

jancivil
KVRAF
23610 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:59 pm

"Cubase is what you want"
I was in Guitar Center, summer of '03 and knowing nothing basically I was asking about Pro Tools (all I'd actually heard of). Some other customer standing next to me interjects 'No, Cubase is what you want!' and explained the requirement to have other hardware than my Pentium 4 box to even begin to set up PT.
And he was right. SX1.06. If I can learn it any idiot can.

Passing Bye
KVRAF
3000 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:16 pm

Which of them have better PDC?

oneway
KVRist
381 posts since 11 Dec, 2017

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:47 pm

Passing Bye wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:16 pm
Which of them have better PDC?
Depends what's important to you. They both detect plugins' latency properly (if the plugin reports it correctly) so I'll discuss the other stuff, like how they handle changes in latency and bugs.

Cubase seems to handle plugin latency and any resulting changes in latency properly, but playback silences briefly when it detects a change. Haven't noticed any bugs here personally.

Studio One takes a (in my opinion) less intrusive and more convenient approach if you like adding/removing inserts during playback, but there are a few bugs that create situations where latency from plugins is simply not compensated. Aux channels. External instruments. Some side chains.

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