Transient splitter?

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DJ Warmonger
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4392 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:33 am

Is there a plugin that allows to split signal into transient and non-transient part?
Either output / render each of these separately as an audio, or apply arbitrary effect chain to each part.

I'm Ableton user, so could try M4L devices as well.
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kPere
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Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:52 am

Boz transgressor 2 is pretty much what you're looking for. Its level dependent though. It allows for eq transient and sustain part independently inside a plugin. If you put 2 instances on 2 the same tracks you can get what you're looking for. Its a great special case transient designer anyway

Kinh
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Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 am

Why-d'yo wanna do dat for?

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DJ Warmonger
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4392 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:52 am

Kinh wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 am
Why-d'yo wanna do dat for?
In order to apply heavy processing to the body of signal, but not losing the sharpness of transients. An example is heavy compression / saturation, but also special effects like phaser.

Then, I realized I use a lot of strong linear-phase EQ, which inevitably destroys transients. So I could improve that as well.
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fese
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1852 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:01 am

Eventide Physion or Wavesfactory Quantum come to mind.

kPere
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Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:35 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:52 am
Kinh wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 am
Why-d'yo wanna do dat for?
In order to apply heavy processing to the body of signal, but not losing the sharpness of transients. An example is heavy compression / saturation, but also special effects like phaser.

Then, I realized I use a lot of strong linear-phase EQ, which inevitably destroys transients. So I could improve that as well.
Work in parallel would do the trick better i guess

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DJErmac
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1769 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from France

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:35 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:52 am
Kinh wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:14 am
Why-d'yo wanna do dat for?
In order to apply heavy processing to the body of signal, but not losing the sharpness of transients. An example is heavy compression / saturation, but also special effects like phaser.

Then, I realized I use a lot of strong linear-phase EQ, which inevitably destroys transients. So I could improve that as well.
Another trick would be to apply the effects you want and adjust the transients then.
But feel free to work the way you like.
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Ploki
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5262 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:00 pm

Melda MXXX core tonal/transient crossover module
Or izotope rx

Or spiff one instance in delta, one processing
Or eventide spliteq
Or sonible entropy eq

Also fabfilter plugins now have transient detector which you can map to dial out fx on transients (i.e inverse map drive in saturn2)
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MogwaiBoy
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4144 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:13 pm

Route to 2 channels...

1 channel, transient control, Body to minimum (this is your 'transient' portion)
1 channel, transient control, Attack to minimum (this is your 'body' portion)
Mix to suit

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DJ Warmonger
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Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:53 am

Alright, I finally bought Quantum. Even though I don't need it's onboard effects :P

Transgressor 2 semed cheap, but it wasn't transparent. Produced noticeable rining on percussion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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1 channel, transient control, Body to minimum (this is your 'transient' portion)
1 channel, transient control, Attack to minimum (this is your 'body' portion)
You mean the synth? How about samples / loops?

Besides, it makes it difficult to tweak the synth later on.
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Zipede
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230 posts since 7 Feb, 2017

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:14 am

Isn't this is what Eventide's new SplitEQ does. I've been thinking of buying it, but spent too much on BF already.

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1462 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:26 am

Check out Melda-Production. All their MultiBand-FX have since long redefined Multiband to not only be Frequency-Bands, but Left-Right, Transient-Tonal, M/S, whatever split you like I would say... In MSF and MXXX you have splitters as Modules, as somebody already mentioned.

Then there's bitwig which has a Transient-Control Module. On top of doing processing it does emit control signals that you can use to modulate any other thing in Bitwig...

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Held
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585 posts since 3 Jan, 2020

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:00 am

You can also use two instances of the free MRatioMB. Set both in Transient/Tonal mode with the same settings and mute the opposite band in both instances. If your DAW supports macro controls, you can use those to keep both instances in sync.

sircuit
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817 posts since 15 Jul, 2016

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:27 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:52 am
Then, I realized I use a lot of strong linear-phase EQ, which inevitably destroys transients. So I could improve that as well.
When you find yourself using linear phase eq, you're doing it very wrong. And if you're doing this wrong, most likely you do wrong a lot of other things. You don't even need a transient/sustain splitter, probably you just need better ears (or monitoring or both) to help achieve what you want with usual tools because it is achievable. Anything you heard by now was made without Split EQ, without gullfoss, without soothe or any other new "smart/specialized" plugins.

The very specialized tools are rarely needed IRL and mostly to repair damaged material. Think simpler and you're set (beginners use to overcomplicate things immensely).

Ploki
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5262 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:35 am

sircuit wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:27 am
DJ Warmonger wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:52 am
Then, I realized I use a lot of strong linear-phase EQ, which inevitably destroys transients. So I could improve that as well.
When you find yourself using linear phase eq, you're doing it very wrong. And if you're doing this wrong, most likely you do wrong a lot of other things. You don't even need a transient/sustain splitter, probably you just need better ears (or monitoring or both) to help achieve what you want with usual tools because it is achievable. Anything you heard by now was made without Split EQ, without gullfoss, without soothe or any other new "smart/specialized" plugins.

The very specialized tools are rarely needed IRL and mostly to repair damaged material. Think simpler and you're set (beginners use to overcomplicate things immensely).
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