Sononym sample management/browser

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yellowmix
KVRAF
1866 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo

Post Sat May 22, 2021 5:56 am

It uses SQlite which is as fast as a file-based relational database can work. I used it for an internet bot managing millions of records running on a Linksys NSLU2. In other words, it's extremely efficient.

I have all the databases on RAID-0 striped SSDs as well as the samples themselves. It's fast enough at < 100k samples but it gets noticeably sluggish greater than that. It's unbearable at > 500k, as simply drilling down folders takes a while.

One thing that may improve it is the use of an index, which would increase the database size a bit. An index for the filename column would likely help when drilling down subfolders. Not familiar enough with the other columns or internal usage to make recommendations.

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DrGonzo
KVRAF
2738 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

Post Sat May 22, 2021 7:07 am

Thanks for the suggestion to split up the library into separate ones. I'll try that!
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wasi
KVRian
839 posts since 27 Jun, 2011

Post Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 am

Wow I'm blown away, this is exactly what I needed. It's so perfect to be able to search for similar kicks or chord loops or anything - and it actually works.

Funny how I thought it was an absolutely perfect fit for Renoise and it turns out it's made by danoise. And there's a tool that integrates the two for hot swapping samples. :love:

Waiting for multi-library search here too now. :D

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DrGonzo
KVRAF
2738 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

Post Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:47 pm

wasi wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 am
Wow I'm blown away, this is exactly what I needed. It's so perfect to be able to search for similar kicks or chord loops or anything - and it actually works.

Funny how I thought it was an absolutely perfect fit for Renoise and it turns out it's made by danoise. And there's a tool that integrates the two for hot swapping samples. :love:

Waiting for multi-library search here too now. :D
Indeed - it's an extraordinary tool if you are working with smaller libraries. Absolutely fantastic.

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Plughugger Sound Design
CELLOS OF DARKNESS - Cinematic Cellos for Omnisphere
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS

wasi
KVRian
839 posts since 27 Jun, 2011

Post Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:21 am

Yeah I can see limitations if it gets that slow above 500k, are there many alternatives even? I stumbled on it via XO/Atlas because I felt I was missing half my samples if I limited it to drums.

Fwiw I'm pretty confident speed will improve, the foundation seems very solid.

GregSilver
KVRer
2 posts since 27 Sep, 2021

Post Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:25 pm

Digging out this old thread.... Is there still no possibility to sync Sononym to your DAW? This missing feature - essential imo - kept me away from buying it and still staying with ADSR. Black Friday is coming, so it's time to ask :)

gondii
KVRian
959 posts since 8 Oct, 2019

Post Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am

50% off. I will check it out, I'm hoping it will complement XO for all non-percussive type sounds.

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e@rs
KVRAF
5241 posts since 15 Dec, 2011 from Bucharest, Romania

Post Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:04 pm

Not there yet, the 50% off sale starts on 26th.

v1o
KVRAF
3112 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:22 am

The new 1.3 update is meant to be much faster with large libraries.

https://www.sononym.net/blog/new-release-1.3.0/
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e@rs
KVRAF
5241 posts since 15 Dec, 2011 from Bucharest, Romania

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:07 am

nvm
Last edited by e@rs on Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:06 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Biome_Digital
KVRAF
1667 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:14 am

Looks cool, but I lose sound in reaper when I open this software. Anyone else?

pottering
KVRian
886 posts since 14 Dec, 2014

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:41 pm

1.3 seems significantly faster here, at least for loading and switching between libraries.

In my memory browsing samples was slower too, seems "snappier" now.

When I opened it did make the sound pause for a second in a media player I was listening music at the time (going to Audio Configuration and pressing "Reload Device List" causes the same pause), but it is a pause. Didn't try with an ASIO app open yet.

wilkins_micawber
KVRer
8 posts since 21 Feb, 2021

Post Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:46 am

I'm surprised this isn't more widely used. Having accurate tagging of sounds based on the audio and not the filename is very useful, and the similarity analysis makes finding a specific vibe in the typically large sample library manageable instead of a complete chore/ chance procedure.

husker37
KVRist
213 posts since 24 Dec, 2016

Post Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:22 pm

I have 700,000 plus samples, and Sononym is just painfully slow for me. It would be helpful, I think, if you could move the database to a custom location. You can do that in Loopcloud. All my samples are on on a spinning drive, but I think if you could move the DB to SSD, that would help the speed. Yes, I know you can use symlinks, but the implementation provided by Sononym isn't great.

beeellecee
KVRer
8 posts since 31 May, 2021

Post Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:41 pm

I love Sononym but have endless issues with "missing samples" and the yellow triangle appearing - even when the file clearly still exists within the project folder. This feels like a database verification bug perhaps. So many other feature of Sononym are superb but I have been haunted by this one issue.

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