iZotope Tonal Balance Control 2 - list of atypical commercial songs

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jackson881
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204 posts since 26 Feb, 2010

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:58 am

I’m fascinated by how consistently commercial mixes actually fall within the Target Meter ranges of an appropriate preset in iZotope’s Tonal Balance Control 2. The exceptions seem rare (at least in my own experience)

I’m trying to compile a list of songs that are consistently out of the expected ranges, yet still effective.

A good example for me is The Breeders - Night of Joy

This mix is technically very dull (excessive low and low-mid information) yet I think it is artistically very effective.

If anyone wants to share the names of songs that seem atypical when analyzed in TBC2 I’d appreciate it!

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DJ Warmonger
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4380 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:16 am

Addictive Glance - Leaving Reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXDf09 ... Recordings

Overloaded low end, but it was barely noticeable on earphones.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)

jackson881
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204 posts since 26 Feb, 2010

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:55 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:16 am
Addictive Glance - Leaving Reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXDf09 ... Recordings

Overloaded low end, but it was barely noticeable on earphones.
Good one — thanks!

simon.a.billington
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2166 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:11 am

Actually, I don't know, never really thought about looking out for songs like these. Now that you've bought it to my attention I may just keep an eye out.

sircuit
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816 posts since 15 Jul, 2016

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:19 pm

As long as you know what to do with the information provided by TBC you don't need too many other references. If you don't know how to improve your mix with what TBC provides, no amount of references in the world would help.

In the end is just a tool that provides a rough estimate - quite big mix adjustments of the mix will result in tiny, almost undetectable change in TBC display. The best mixes conform in TBC because those people use their ears. Visually, TBC is like using a 1cm stick to measure milimeters. Work on your ears rather than your eyes

Ploki
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5192 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:34 pm

sircuit, you just consistently make sense
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sircuit
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Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:45 pm

Ploki wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:34 pm
sircuit, you just consistently make sense
And when I thought I'm on a roll, I misuse the board again :) :) :)
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sircuit
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Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:46 pm

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MogwaiBoy
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4116 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:21 pm

Sure, how about Sorrow's Intro from Carpe Noctem:
https://sorrowgarage.bandcamp.com/track/intro

Pretty Sure Tonal Balance Control says it's too bassy, not bright enough, even on 'Bass Heavy'. But you listen and it's perfect.

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nIGhT-SoN
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699 posts since 19 Jan, 2008

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:14 am

For me Tonal Balance Control is like a must have tool, especially if you don't have the best environment. Sure, you should never mix with your eyes and the way I use it is to check what I've already done and see if my balance is correct. Most of the time I seem to add a bit much low end, according to tonal balance and listening on other devices. So for me it's really helpful. I've tried finding alternatives to it, but nothing compares so I ended up buying Ozone 9 Advance. It's also nice that you can use other tracks as reference to get similar balance.

v1o
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3105 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:14 am

Tonal Balance Control is only useful as reference, like checking your mix on a pair of shitty earphones. But you shouldn't base mix decisions on it. It doesn't work for all mixes. For example if you have an R&B song that's just voice and a piano, when you put that into TBC's pop or R&B category you're not going to get anything useful.
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DJ Warmonger
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4380 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:34 am

I use Tonal balance Control for each and every mix, and use the same custom reference curve for every style.
Precisely, my favourites:
Kinetica - Acid Angel for uplifting trance
https://youtu.be/KRk9ad-hyEY?t=10
00.db - Oxygene for psytrance
https://youtu.be/h9L_PfUBxeQ

So I know what to expect every time.

But there's more. Actually I equalize each and every instrument by a lot just to make sure it precisely matches the very middle (light) curve displayed. Often it means 6 dB boost or cut, but boy, it works wonders.
Believe it or not, synths can take that easily, acoustic instruments or bells - not really, but I'm still able to push them hard in a full mix ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Only on top of that I make low or high cuts, especially on bass and percussion of course.

Another advantage - it's a simple principle, I can do this blindly all day. Every tracks has same spectral balance and matches everything else in the mix.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)

SparkySpark
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2197 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Lancaster, UK

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:30 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:34 am
Actually I equalize each and every instrument by a lot just to make sure it precisely matches the very middle (light) curve displayed. Often it means 6 dB boost or cut, but boy, it works wonders.
Believe it or not, synths can take that easily, acoustic instruments or bells - not really, but I'm still able to push them hard in a full mix ¯\_(ツ)_/
Is this really advisable? (Not meant as criticism, genuine question.) Doesn't it mean the song is very weirdly balanced to start with?

In an iZotope vid, they showed how a peak somewhere was due to a single narrow-pitched percussive instrument. Maybe it's a better approach finding these than doing broad and drastic EQ cuts/boosts?
Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:15 pm Passing Bye wrote:
"look at SparkySpark's post 4 posts up, let that sink in for a moment"
Go MuLab!

Kinh
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1760 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:37 pm

Why-d'yo need ta use balance control?

SparkySpark
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2197 posts since 30 Aug, 2004 from Lancaster, UK

Post Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:45 pm

Kinh wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:37 pm
Why-d'yo need ta use balance control?
For one purpose only: to make sure that the music we make uses the same EQ curve as other genre-specific music. Highly recommended!
Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:15 pm Passing Bye wrote:
"look at SparkySpark's post 4 posts up, let that sink in for a moment"
Go MuLab!

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