Tracking Apple Silicon Native Hosts, Plugins, Effects

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fix3r
KVRer
18 posts since 4 Mar, 2013

Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:28 am

Finally, Metric Halo plugins are native!

Been waiting for this for ages

Bombadil
KVRAF
7335 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Down the Withywindle

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:28 pm

Scuffham Amps is now native. So is Sampletank 4.
“Always after a defeat and a respite," says Gandalf, "the Shadow takes another shape and grows again."
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davestretch
KVRist
112 posts since 12 Feb, 2021

Post Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:46 pm

IK Multimedia Sampletank and new Syntronik 2 are M1 Native

darkinners
KVRist
31 posts since 28 Aug, 2021

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:47 am

Atlatnesiti wrote:
Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:02 am
cadiz wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:53 am
telecharge wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:16 am
Strange that Arturia says, "Analog Lab V will be updated at the same time as the V Collection for M1-compatibility," but there's no mention of it in the AL5 release notes. :?

https://www.arturia.com/faq/utilization ... processors
Can confirm it is M1 native

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It is M1 native.
Hey NI, how much longer will we have to wait for for M1 native Komplete…?!

My guess is around 2046. Unless they completely rewrite Kontakt, Abysth, FM8...etc those ancient but still very popular plugins.
I think those old codes are really dragging NI down, especially Kontakt. There are thousands of sample libraries that use Kontakt and many of them already either the company no longer exists or just won't push updates anymore. If NI just pushes a new Kontakt version but causes incompatibility with those libraries, they will get an extremely huge backlash from the Pro users who use those ancient sample libraries daily.

dayjob
KVRAF
1896 posts since 6 Nov, 2006

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:25 pm

darkinners wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:47 am
If NI just pushes a new Kontakt version but causes incompatibility with those libraries, they will get an extremely huge backlash from the Pro users who use those ancient sample libraries daily.
yeah.. they could just keep the older version available or something. idk. maybe just do what apple does and say "no longer supported" and a list of broken things... and make the new version optimized for current apple silicon.

NI has abandoned plenty of products throughout the years.. i'm sure their moral compass allows them to make a new version of kontakt that breaks some compatibility with some libraries. for better or worse they'll have to make choices.. same way every developer does.

Ploki
KVRAF
5230 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:42 pm

darkinners wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:47 am
My guess is around 2046. Unless they completely rewrite Kontakt, Abysth, FM8...etc those ancient but still very popular plugins.
I think those old codes are really dragging NI down, especially Kontakt. There are thousands of sample libraries that use Kontakt and many of them already either the company no longer exists or just won't push updates anymore. If NI just pushes a new Kontakt version but causes incompatibility with those libraries, they will get an extremely huge backlash from the Pro users who use those ancient sample libraries daily.
I dont think there is anything so CPU instruction set specific in playing back samples that cant be ported
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jamcat
KVRian
1376 posts since 2 Sep, 2019

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:11 pm

Native Instruments finally released VST3 versions of Kontakt, which if you listen to some devs whine, is infinitely more difficult than porting to M1. :hihi:
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP

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KVRAF
9233 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Noticed that fircomp2 by Jon V Audio is missing from the list. An excellent, super clean and inexpensive compressor.

https://jonvaudio.com/fircomp2/

darkinners
KVRist
31 posts since 28 Aug, 2021

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:10 am

Ploki wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:42 pm
darkinners wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:47 am
My guess is around 2046. Unless they completely rewrite Kontakt, Abysth, FM8...etc those ancient but still very popular plugins.
I think those old codes are really dragging NI down, especially Kontakt. There are thousands of sample libraries that use Kontakt and many of them already either the company no longer exists or just won't push updates anymore. If NI just pushes a new Kontakt version but causes incompatibility with those libraries, they will get an extremely huge backlash from the Pro users who use those ancient sample libraries daily.
I dont think there is anything so CPU instruction set specific in playing back samples that cant be ported
I agree it's not about playing back samples and decode nki package for that matter.

More about the GUI/library features. Apple has updated the UI specification and requirements over the years. There's no point for a company such NI only to port a new Kontakt fully compliant to Apple developer requirement but break compatibility of older libraries or to use double the company resource to maintain 2 versions of Kontakt (one that is compatible with every library and one that is completely rewritten with modern features and UI and only compatible to certain libraries)

Look how long it took NI to give us resizable UI in Kontakt and how absolutely unusable Absynth and FM8 are in native 4k monitor are now.

Anyway, those are just my guess, in no way shape or form that is the actual situation of NI.

createADAM8
KVRer
2 posts since 23 Nov, 2021

Post Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:28 am

Anyone know if sonimus plugs like satson are native? Their website claims compatibility but doesn’t state native

bm1000
KVRist
40 posts since 11 Jun, 2012

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:55 am

createADAM8 wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:28 am
Anyone know if sonimus plugs like satson are native? Their website claims compatibility but doesn’t state native
They are not native.

I have had a couple of Sonimus plugins which I liked, Tuco and Burnley 73. Burnley 73 has had a simple bug from release (a wrong number displayed when changing the line gain), and Sonimus have never updated it. I've reported the bug and noticed others have as well from reading forums, Sonimus even replied to me, thanking me for reporting it, and then proceeded to do nothing about it for years.

Also, almost all Sonimus plugins are still on their first version numbers, so I would not hold my breath on them ever updating anything...

I certainly won't support them again.

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kidslow
KVRist
423 posts since 26 Aug, 2019

Post Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:33 pm

After now having loaded a variety of plugins onto an M1, I will say impossible to keep the Rosetta versions segregated from the ARM native, so that was a lost cause. Studio One for ARM can open either in Rosetta mode or not, and if not in Rosetta mode it will only scan and load the ARM native plugins. Same for Kushview Element. Simple segregation right there. Reaper-ARM is capable of stronger fu to load Rosetta plugins and label them (some) even x86_64. Not sure how they do it. I still have to believe a DAW running ARM native with native plugins, and not in Rosetta mode, is going to be a lot more efficient, but not tested this theory.

No surprises except a few plugins that preferred AU over VST or VST over VST3, but that's probably architecture independent. I researched in advance and have skipped anything likely to pose a problem for now. Had to drop into terminal to run xattr to unquarantine a few older unsigned plugins. You can't `killall -9 AudioComponentRegistrar` to clear the audio unit cache anymore. I assume there's some new command with auval that will do the same but haven't found it yet.

Ploki
KVRAF
5230 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:50 am

I still use that command when a newly installed AU fails to show up
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kidslow
KVRist
423 posts since 26 Aug, 2019

Post Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:04 pm

The killall command? I tried on Catalina and it didn't work. Figured they retired that in 10.15. It still works for you?

Bombadil
KVRAF
7335 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Down the Withywindle

Post Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:54 am

XLN Addictive Drums 2 and Addictive Keys are now Native Arm compatible! :party:
“Always after a defeat and a respite," says Gandalf, "the Shadow takes another shape and grows again."
J.R.R. Tolkien

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