KVR Audio

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:40 pm

xg2 wrote:I'm an absolute f**king twat. End of argument!

Jeez, man..Don't be so hard on yourself..

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:42 pm

Y'know, sickle, I'm almost tempted to pick it up on the grounds that anything that twat doesnt like has got to be interesting in some way or another!

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:54 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Y'know, sickle, I'm almost tempted to pick it up on the grounds that anything that twat doesnt like has got to be interesting in some way or another!

Agreed. I think it's a decent update myself, but I guess I'm not as hard up as all these ppl bitching about Reason not bieng a swiss army knife.

I wonder if there's an inverse relationship between groans from the peanut gallery & financial...constriction..yeah..

ciao,

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:55 pm

I never really got on with Reason but many people love it and you can't knock that. I'm just surprised that the props didn't really push the boat out this time. There have been some major improvements in many of the available hosts over the last year. And even the self-contained hosts have opened up to vst.

I suppose they didn't want to make Reason too complicated but I'm sure a few more synths wouldn't have gone amiss. I wonder if they've lost interest in Reason and are secretly working on the next big thing.

They seem to work at a very slow pace with updating their software so maybe this all there is!

atomic_(no)afro · Post by **atomic_(no)afro** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:57 pm

I was really hoping for something great in this release, or in other words some sort of live audio input. As I've said in the past, and will continue to state, the day that props add audio inputs in some form or another into Reason is the day I buy that program. Scream 4 and their vocoder is reason (forgive the pun) alone to buy the package if one could apply the effects to external sound sources. I still don't get it, Props didn't even need to change rewire AT ALL to add audio inputs into Reason. I would have been satisfied with a very basic audio/in out scheme that allowed for live inputs that had nothing to do with rewire. I would have been willing to dedicate a whole second PC to run Reason just to process some of my audio tracks with Scream 4. Props drop the ball again, too bad really.

neverwhere2012 · Post by **neverwhere2012** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:14 pm

[rant] hrm... just wanna make a comment, i think i've made this comment in every reason argument i've ever stumbled across. but, while i'm not a huge reason supporter, the people bitching and moaning about lack of VST support should really think through what they're saying before they say it.

yes yes, i know, here comes the shit storm from those people, but in all honesty, if the props were to introduce VST support then they may as well rename the program and rewrite their business plan. the fact remains that reason is NOT a DAW, it's not a full featured production suite. if it doesn't offer audio recording/processing/editing features, it is an instrument. no more, no less. reason is no different than any workstation synth on the market. correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that's the way it has been designed and always been looked at. that is why rewire sends audio one way, to simulate hooking your triton/motif/fantom/k26xx/etc. up to your audio card and recording it in.

personally i could care less if people like the program or it's sound or if anyone even thinks the new modules are worthwhile. you people need to realize that when you say "why the f**k won't they introduce VST support?! this program is worthless" that you are in fact walking around with an apple screaming "why the f**k doesn't this apple taste and look like an orange!? what worthless farmer grew this!?" it's as simple as that. if you want VST's for christ's sake go use a VST host and quit complaining. it's not like you're missing anything special from reason's god awful sequencer or its thin, lifeless modules. hell, every post i read with that complaint suggests the use of at least 5 different programs. use those programs. can you imagine the reaction if numerous mac users started ranting about not being able to use FL on a mac? or not being able to load AU on a PC? or why the f**k can't i use my Logic instruments and plugins in energy XT? dammit. [/rant]

otherwise, i think the new MClass stuff looks interesting, hopefully it sounds as good as the processors it took its look from. and combinator? still not sure if i see the value of that. could care less about the new "line" mixer. i'll buy the update anyway, at least i know that won't be riddled with bugs like L7 is... and probably for less money too. if it sucks... well... one day i'll be forced to collaborate with someone who uses reason and will be glad i have it around.... maybe....

xg2 · Post by **xg2** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:14 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:
Jeez, man..Don't be so hard on yourself..

Well argued...
Just what I expected.

tha_man · Post by **tha_man** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:26 pm

JasonC wrote:Personally, the deal killer for Reason for me has always been that there are no linked or ghost clips in the sequencer.

Actually I've missed this too when I first started to play with Reason. But it's so simple and quick to copy & paste in it's sequencer that this is absolutely no problem for me anymore. It's much more work to make a new pattern in FL for each variation you want to do (I usually have a lot of variations). I guess if you don't do much variations in a song, only some breaks and fill -ins, FL's playlist is better, but I personally hate it. It is actually the main reason I started to look at other sequencers, and I liked the one in Reason the best.

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:33 pm

not bothered about reason at all TBH but ...

... xg2 - PLEASE (remaining polite here at the moment) just leave the mag thing alone in this forum - whatever beef you got with them (turned down for a job ??? ... bad review of a demo ??? ... dont know dont care ... ) bleating on about how evil they are OVER AND OVER again in an attempt to grab attention and sidetrack threads is impressing no-one and irritating quite a few ...

... thank you for your consideration ...

... sorry reason-folks for going OT a bit but it needed saying 'officially'

slainte

rob

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:00 pm

pHz wrote:not bothered about reason at all TBH but ...

... xg2 - PLEASE (remaining polite here at the moment) just leave the mag thing alone in this forum - whatever beef you got with them (turned down for a job ??? ... bad review of a demo ??? ... dont know dont care ... ) bleating on about how evil they are OVER AND OVER again in an attempt to grab attention and sidetrack threads is impressing no-one and irritating quite a few ...

... thank you for your consideration ...

... sorry reason-folks for going OT a bit but it needed saying 'officially'

slainte rob

I agree. Thanks pHz

theshaggyfreak · Post by **theshaggyfreak** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:18 pm

Like I've said before in other threadss. Music is about music...not how many toys you have to make it with. Reason is a different product just as Fruityloops is a different product. They each have things that they can do better. I personally own both, and I find them both useful. IMHO, I think the world would end up with more music if people spent more time making it than bitching about the products they use to produce it.

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:19 pm

Someone mentioned that Reason had a great piano roll. It doesn't. I don't think there can be any debate about it. Compare it to FL5's.

To place a note, I get one chance, essentially. I left click on a space (of course, the grid doesn't change with the snap - in FL, it does) to put the note down. Clicked on the wrong space? Oops! Now I have to switch tools to delete it. FL? Right click. Writing a complex part? FL not only previews the tone when you place the note, but you need only hold the mouse button down that you used to place the note and drag it around. Makes finding the write note MUCH easier. What if I want to extend a note? In Reason, I have to switch tools. In FL, nope. Now I need to move a note. In Reason, I have to switch tools. In FL, nope. And of course, it's much easier to move in FL because you get to hear the tones as you move through them.

Then there are the common workflow issues. I just finish editing a patch in Subtractor. In FL, I can bring up the full screen piano roll of an instrument by clicking on it and hitting one F-key or right clicking and selecting "Piano Roll". In Reason, the channel selection is permanently docked (apparently) on the left side of the screen, and the GUI can't be expanded to the right, so I'm stuck using a vertical piano roll that takes up about 1/2 the width of my screen. Not to mention, I can't color the piano roll notes differently to make them easier to read, nor can I implement legato/slides with the click of a button - no automation required. And why does Reason have pre-assigned lanes below the piano roll? What if I want to replace the velocity lane with a volume lane, or panning lane? FL lets you switch quickly and easily. Not to mention that resizing the velocity/etc lane in FL will also intelligently resize the piano roll above it rather than sit on top of it, unlike Reason.

Maybe Reason is all right if you're going to use a MIDI controller. But I input all my notes by hand using the mouse, and I know a LOT of people that do also. It's not as if making that method of input easier (like FL does) detracts from the piano roll's ability to accomodate for MIDI controller input. What was Propellerhead thinking..?

digitaldoom · Post by **digitaldoom** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:30 pm

theshaggyfreak wrote:Like I've said before in other threadss. Music is about music...not how many toys you have to make it with. Reason is a different product just as Fruityloops is a different product. They each have things that they can do better. I personally own both, and I find them both useful. IMHO, I think the world would end up with more music if people spent more time making it than bitching about the products they use to produce it.

Great comment! I fully agree. There doesn't seem to be any one program that can do everything. And there doesn't have to be.

I mean... if your already using FLStudio for your VSTi's (or whatever), then who cares whether or not Reason is compatible with them. I don't.

Every program has its own strengths and weaknesses.

I can do things in Ableton Live that I can't do in anything else and I'm fine with that. Same thing with Reason, Cubase SX and FLStudio. I use them all for the things that I feel each does best.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:51 pm

digitaldoom wrote:
theshaggyfreak wrote:Like I've said before in other threadss. Music is about music...not how many toys you have to make it with. Reason is a different product just as Fruityloops is a different product. They each have things that they can do better. I personally own both, and I find them both useful. IMHO, I think the world would end up with more music if people spent more time making it than bitching about the products they use to produce it.
Great comment! I fully agree. There doesn't seem to be any one program that can do everything. And there doesn't have to be.

Just get on with making music. That's it! WHY HAS NOBODY ELSE EVER COME UP WITH THIS.
I'm off to find a mountaineering forum and I'm gonna tell the to just get on with the climbing. The possibilities are endless. I could go around every forum on the net and tell them to stop talking and start doing. FANTASTIC!.
Well, except for the forums about forums, I'll leave them alone.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:04 pm

Hmmm... a combinator of 2 Redrum kits run through the new compressor/EQ... that might be worth $129!

...I changed my mind

Reason 3.0 announced