2022 DAW Predictions

[cryophonik]

Yeah, I agree that seems to be the case. But, it does beg the question of what they will do with the versioning after v10.9 is released in a year or two.

10.10, 10.11, 10.12 etc...

Yeah, that’s definitely a possibility, but we won’t know until Apple lets us know. For all we know, they may go to v11.x and continue to call just call it Logic Pro with or without being a paid update.

[machinesworking]

But even if Apple does release a v11 and charge me another $199, I wouldn’t complain. It’s still the best bargain in the DAW world IMO (aside from maybe Cakewalk) and I’ve definitely gotten my money’s worth with this version Logic.

IMO they need to not charge, their restrictions on what hardware gets updates are arbitrary and geared flatly towards selling macs. It's a great DAW no doubt, but it's tied heavily to an upgrade cycle that's clearly not related to actual hardware issues. The Mac Pro here couldn't update past 10.5 which had added step sequencing to the iPad App, which isn't tied at all to actual hardware limitations, it's just another incentive to upgrade your hardware. The latest version doesn't work on this old 4 core 2.7ghz macbook pro, and every other DAW does with zero issues.

[pdxindy]

Yeah, I agree that seems to be the case. But, it does beg the question of what they will do with the versioning after v10.9 is released in a year or two.

10.10, 10.11, 10.12 etc...

Yeah, that’s definitely a possibility, but we won’t know until Apple lets us know. For all we know, they may go to v11.x and continue to call just call it Logic Pro with or without being a paid update.

Yup... Logic Pro 11, if it is called that, may or may not be paid update. I doubt it will be paid myself.

[Resonant- Serpent]

Behringer's host get released around September/October.

[cryophonik]

Yeah my 2019 i7 iMac runs the latest version just fine and is my main music computer, but my 2015 MBP is still on Catalina and I use that primarily for photography. I’ll probably pull the trigger on an M1 MacBook Pro next year, though. If I do, I’ll probably load it up with Logic for music too.

But, yeah, I agree that it seems unlikely we’ll see a paid Logic update anytime soon.

[wuworld]

I don't think anybody care's what you are working on or doing.

I wouldn't expect that anyone would.

To save yourself time, stop posting in my threads or others if you having nothing to contribute.

By "nothing to contribute", I assume you mean nothing that agrees with your preconceived notions of how the world is? i.e. That you are only interested in people who see things exactly as you do, presumably because you have no confidence in your own thought processes and rely on being in the middle of the herd in the hope no-one will notice.

Hope one day you stop being mad the world, and learn to be a better person than what you show on here.

Again, what you really mean is that you want me to agree with you, to give you more confidence in your own opinions. Sorry but I'm only interested in reality and the reality is that way too many people around here are far more interested in the process than in the results. Seriously, why would you start this thread and not one asking people what music they think they will be making next year? I'm sure that people on gardening forums don't ask what gardening tools people will be buying next year and people on painting forums don't ask what paints or artboards people will be buying, so forgive me if it feels completely pathetic that people around here are more interested in the tools than the music we make with them. Because, honestly, it is seriously f**ked up.

I don't care if you agree with me or not. If it's a post on here that you don't like or you find that it doesn't interest you why waste your time posting in it. Move on to something else. That was my whole point. But obviously you posting in this thread you are interested.

[BBFG#]

Hmm.
The O.D.D. troll exposes its underlying narcissism...
This is almost as entertaining as it is revealing!

Must get snacks!

[BONES]

... it doesn't matter as far as the content of what I write, but it does matter as far as what is produced.

So you are agreeing with me, 100%. Well done, you.

The only completely pathetic and seriously f**ked up thing in this thread is how deep your head is up your ass.

If I said that to you, there would be 10 people baying for my head. So go f**k yourself.

[machinesworking]

... it doesn't matter as far as the content of what I write, but it does matter as far as what is produced.

So you are agreeing with me, 100%. Well done, you.

Hmm? I don't think it needs clarifying, but what I meant was I write more or less the same in any DAW, or on guitar or piano, but the actual product that gets put out is affected by the instrument I use to write, and a DAW is an instrument. The actual product that gets put out, the sound, is affected by the hard and software I use, the timbre and production value etc. My choices of key, time signatures etc. is not.

This is what I was responding to, ( beyond the usual shit head comments about other peoples mental capacity that would get anyone else here banned ).

The tools I might use to achieve that goal are largely unimportant, getting the work done is.

It's just typical internet bluster, a DAW you agree with, that you have good workflow in, is going to help you produce, new features can make things faster and easier, i.e. you get more work done. but let's be honest here, you were just trying to break peoples balls, not trying to be helpful or make any real point.

[BONES]

but the actual product that gets put out is affected by the instrument I use to write, and a DAW is an instrument. The actual product that gets put out, the sound, is affected by the hard and software I use, the timbre and production value etc. My choices of key, time signatures etc. is not.

Have you ever put that to the test? Because we did, by virtue of producing our last album twice, once in Orion and then all over again in Cubase. I have to say that it didn't really make much difference, beyond not being able to use Wasp in Cubase, and I'd have been happy to release either version. The Cubase versions were perhaps slightly better but that was more from the experience of having done it once previously, rather than any innate advantages Cubase has over Orion. And you'd be hard-pressed to find two more different applications than those two.

It's just typical internet bluster, a DAW you agree with, that you have good workflow in, is going to help you produce, new features can make things faster and easier, i.e. you get more work done.

Hardly. We're not talking about products at version 1.0, they are very mature applications that aren't going to change or be improved significantly any time soon. I can remember when Orion was at version 1.5 and every update brought new features that improved the application but, after a while, the upgrade became more about how long it had been since the last one, rather than any glaring holes in it's capabilities that needed to be addressed.

There have been three or four point upgrades in the time I've been using S1 and they have made absolutely no difference to anything whatsoever. Cubase is the same, I'm still on 9.5 (I think) because there has been absolutely nothing in 10.0, 10.5 or 11.0 that makes it worth upgrading. (My bandmate upgraded to 11 and told me not to bother.)

but let's be honest here, you were just trying to break peoples balls, not trying to be helpful or make any real point.

Or maybe I was trying to see if I was right about them or not? It's like the current "what's the best all-round synth" thread. There are 10 pages of responses and probably less than half-a-dozen that even mention sound quality, as though that doesn't matter as much as having every feature under the sun. How does shit like that not do your head in?

[jamcat]

Again, what you really mean is that you want me to agree with you, to give you more confidence in your own opinions. Sorry but I'm only interested in reality and the reality is that way too many people around here are far more interested in the process than in the results. Seriously, why would you start this thread and not one asking people what music they think they will be making next year? I'm sure that people on gardening forums don't ask what gardening tools people will be buying next year and people on painting forums don't ask what paints or artboards people will be buying, so forgive me if it feels completely pathetic that people around here are more interested in the tools than the music we make with them. Because, honestly, it is seriously f**ked up.

The only completely pathetic and seriously f**ked up thing in this thread is how deep your head is up your ass.

On topic: I think FL Studio will have a big update in 2022 and make me buy it.

Let’s all beat up on BONES for being KVR’s resident salty c**t!

I actually have to side with him on this count… lots of people just like playing with the toys, and the music (if it gets made at all) is an unintentional byproduct of of it… and it shows.

But, also, not everybody has to write songs. Most don’t and just make sound effects. That’s OK too, if that’s what you like doing for fun. It beats wasting your life playing video games.

[fairlyclose]

My prediction is that nobody interested in the topic of this thread will release anything worth listening to. Because when I look to 2022, I am thinking about the timeline for finishing an EP and then an album before next December. The tools I might use to achieve that goal are largely unimportant, getting the work done is.

I will release a bunch of stuff as always. A lot of times the combination of tools I use for a composition will be specific to the compositional task rather than generic processes that get used all the time.
DAW choice is important. I have used a lot of DAWs and they are not at all the same - for example if one is using microedited audio then Reaper is far better than FL - FL could be used just it would be incredibly clumsy.
As for DAW predictions for 2022, not something I think about, cant think of any new features I am lusting after.

[jens]

I actually have to side with him on this count… lots of people just like playing with the toys, and the music (if it gets made at all) is an unintentional byproduct of of it… and it shows..

Yeah? Really? Did you give that a proper thought?

I am asking because I did - hear me out:

First of all, what do we know about .... "people"? (which is any kind of unspecified assemblage of any kind of unspecified number of individuals, who may be very different individuals with very individuals personalities)
What do we really know about their objectives, their goals, their interests?

Would we not have to make a scientific evaluation to even be able to just give any kind of valid statement in regards to this? How should we be able to tell which percentage is making music for what reason and with which goal in mind? And that is even assuming this stays (more or less) the same on all days for the average user of music-making gear (which personally I highly doubt).

And even if we would be able to say anything even just mildly valid and relevant in regards to this:

for what exact reason would it matter? Why would it matter to you?


But let's consider for a moment this hypothetical general objective: the ultimate goal shall be to be productive making music.

( - and by the way: it's almost impossible to even just measure productivity because: what are you doind with a guitar-player who improvises a solo each day for a whole year over the same musical section, purposely, in order to record 365 different improvised soli to the same music? Is that being productive or not?

What about the dude who on the other hand produces a new song each day, but after a year ends up with 365 tunes that most people find completely forgetable, bland and both uninspiring/uninspired? So how would you even measure productivity?)


So those who love to just toy around with musical tools have no merrit as they don't meet the specified requirement, right? Now: what do you want to tell them?

"Stop purching these tools, you are not worthy"? or maybe
"Stop talking about them here, you are not worthy"? or perhaps
"I have a suspicion that you have not been productive enough this last year in order to be allowed to post here!"?
"How many songs did you write this month that you dare to even open your DAW?" ?

What on earth? What are you trying to actually say here?

From a psychological viewpoint, trying to belittle others the way Bones almost constantly attempts to do here is a CLEAR giveaway for extremely low - crippled, you may say - self-esteem, seeking constantly (but absolutely vainlessly, of course) for ways to heal it. He's basically looking for love&respect - with no f**king clue how to earn it.

Do you really want to sit in that boat with him? Wanna get caged in with the freaks?


And I really should not have to write any of that, because it's all so bloody and painfully obvious.

But I am really getting tired of reading all that (really not-so-very-smart-at-all) hogwash and this is a musicians' forum after all, not Shrinkseekers' Paradise.

[jamcat]

Jens, you may have overthought it. First of all, I said "lots of people" and there are enough people on this planet that any statement predicated on "lots of people" will almost always be true.

But anyways, I was just making a hasty generalization based on anecdotal evidence, because, this is the internet after all.

The part I was agreeing with, specifically, was that there are lots of people who are more concerned with the process than the result. It's easy to fall into that trap and it happens to all of us at least a little bit. We start out because we want to make music, so we need to learn the tools of the trade, but then those tools end up becoming the focus in the process.

I actually don't mind that BONES is a salty c**t. I think you're actually a bigger asshole than him, even. Also, I don't mind. Strong personalities make things more interesting. And we're all really just here to be entertained.

[machinesworking]

Have you ever put that to the test? Because we did, by virtue of producing our last album twice, once in Orion and then all over again in Cubase. I have to say that it didn't really make much difference, beyond not being able to use Wasp in Cubase, and I'd have been happy to release either version. The Cubase versions were perhaps slightly better but that was more from the experience of having done it once previously, rather than any innate advantages Cubase has over Orion. And you'd be hard-pressed to find two more different applications than those two.

In bold is what I was getting at. Yes all summing is the same, anyone who really looks into it would never buy the argument that X sounds better, it's BS. The difference in DAW is more akin to the difference in Samplers with the same sample rates, the way it's set up and what other tools it has besides recording samples, matters.

Hardly. We're not talking about products at version 1.0, they are very mature applications that aren't going to change or be improved significantly any time soon. I can remember when Orion was at version 1.5 and every update brought new features that improved the application but, after a while, the upgrade became more about how long it had been since the last one, rather than any glaring holes in it's capabilities that needed to be addressed.

There have been three or four point upgrades in the time I've been using S1 and they have made absolutely no difference to anything whatsoever. Cubase is the same, I'm still on 9.5 (I think) because there has been absolutely nothing in 10.0, 10.5 or 11.0 that makes it worth upgrading. (My bandmate upgraded to 11 and told me not to bother.)

This is subjective of course, you don't use key commands from what I recall so any changes to how that works wouldn't affect you for instance. I use grid and clip based sequencing so the last upgrade to DP did affect me when they added that, same with articulation mapping for orchestral, mainly Kontakt etc. setups. Conversely if you don't use articulation mapping the update is pointless for you.

Or maybe I was trying to see if I was right about them or not? It's like the current "what's the best all-round synth" thread. There are 10 pages of responses and probably less than half-a-dozen that even mention sound quality, as though that doesn't matter as much as having every feature under the sun. How does shit like that not do your head in?

The issue here at least with DAWs is that you're happy with the tech the way it is, I'm not disagreeing that it's important to work with what you have right now, but that's not the point of the thread, it was to speculate about future improvements. You set up a straw man and attacked it. Nobody mentioned struggling to finish a song or getting work done, you created that out of thin air.

I'm aware that some things don't bother me. I wouldn't even bother arguing about best all around synth, it's a weird question, it's like saying "what the best all around stringed instrument?" You force an answer on something that shouldn't by virtue of logic have an answer, because a guitar is not a bass is not a violin. Same applies to synths, I'm a fan of Zebra, but no MPE there, I like Pigments, but it's got some holes here and there as well, Falcon is all in one, but is it the best at all of the synthesis types it does? of course not. Diva mimics old hardware very well, but that's all it does really. The list goes on.

If you're doing a certain kind of work with a DAW, then there are DAWs that are faster or slower at doing that work, and what with Max/MSP in Live and the Grid in Bitwig, there's other reasons to gravitate towards one or the other.