Next Softube Synths

[Introspective]

I can't imagine that Softube do it better. Waldorf have generally a lot of know-how when it comes to digital and analog synthesizers. PPG Wave 3.V VST was programmed by Wolfram Franke and Stefan Stenzel, these are not no-names. And as far I know, also (the godfather of wavetable synthesis) Wolfgang Palm was involved in the project.

The filter on the Waldorf Wave 3.V is pretty facile. It needs a better amp model. There's not enough "wear and tear" to the sound. Softube would definitely do it better. Miles.

[zerocrossing]

A proper Korg MS20 emulation, but also an OSC OSCar or EDP Wasp would be nice.

What's wrong with the GMedia impOSCar2?

Yeah, sounds really good to me.

Personally I'd like to see a Jupiter-4 as no-one seems to want to tackle that one for some reason.

Yeah, that’s one I’d love to see too.

[EsmileZ]

I m on board with a ms 20 emulation the legacy version from korg is soundwise not really up 2 date.

[Introspective]

I m on board with a ms 20 emulation the legacy version from korg is soundwise not really up 2 date.

Agreed. Their VSTs sound like toys.

...which is fine for the digital synths (Triton, Wavestation, M1, Prophecy), but their analog emulations are ...

...unimpressive.

[nonstatic]

CS80 without a doubt, no one has nailed it yet.

[briefcasemanx]

But it would be also okay for me, if the next release is an accurate software version of the Yamaha CS60/CS80.

That would be amazing. The existing CS-80 emulations (Arturia and Memorymoon) are both mediocre at best. I can't make either one of them sound like this (they can sort of superficially imitate it, but it's a lifeless façade with no depth or magic). Deckard's Dream doesn't really do it for me either (it's only "inspired by" the CS-80; it has totally different components that just don't nail the sound).

Interesting how obvious it is that the basic oscillators sound awesome with nothing happening on the filter and people on this forum are still adamant that a simple wavetable is good enough to recreate an analog oscillator.

I hope none of the people saying this are developers that develop analog emulations.

[Arashi]

Interesting how obvious it is that the basic oscillators sound awesome with nothing happening on the filter and people on this forum are still adamant that a simple wavetable is good enough to recreate an analog oscillator.

True. Even the VCAs in isolation have so much character. I suppose you could capture a bunch of shape variations over time, turn those into wavetable entries, and morph between randomly selected snapshots to try to simulate an old, unstable VCA, but at that point you might as well just model it properly.

[Arashi]

Agreed. Their VSTs sound like toys.

...which is fine for the digital synths (Triton, Wavestation, M1, Prophecy), but their analog emulations are ...

...unimpressive.

Korg absolutely nailed the ARP Odyssey plugin. I have the hardware and it can sound pretty much exactly like it.

It's true that some of their older plugins are a bit outdated, but IMO the MS-20 is better than it seems. Again, I have the hardware, and what I found is the plugin has extremely different ranges for some of its parameters. When I tried matching knob positions it was so hilariously wrong I thought it was hopeless. But someone convinced me to give it another shot, and I found I could actually recreate most of my MS-20 sounds very closely by ignoring knob positions and tuning everything by ear. In particular, the filters in the plugin have a much greater frequency range than the hardware. Of course, if you really crank up the resonance, the software just can't go there. This is true of the majority of analog emulations, but there have been some excellent ones made in the last few years, so Korg should definitely think about rewriting some of their older plugins.

Those are the only two I can speak about. I have Korg Collection 3 but have never had the chance to play with a real Polysix, Mono/Poly, or miniKorg700.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I don't know, the MS-20 software oscs are just thin sounding to me. I'd rather go for Diva for MS-20 sounds, or use some sampled oscs that I like (sampled or otherwise) going through The Drop or Korgasmatron. Actually it would be cool to try to recreate the structure of an ms-20 in softube modular. Haven't had it long enough to try.

[chk071]

It's true that some of their older plugins are a bit outdated, but IMO the MS-20 is better than it seems.

Hmm... I must say that I totally disagree. Not that I own the original, but, judging from the sound demos I heard from the original, the Korg Legacy MS-20 is downright lame.

[juquinhacock]

Oberheim TVP, Xpander or Ensoniq VFX

[HcDoom]

Andromeda A6

[Rastkovic]

Korg absolutely nailed the ARP Odyssey plugin. I have the hardware and it can sound pretty much exactly like it.

As far as I remember, you got the Korg Odyssey Reissue, right? In my ears, the Reissue sounds different to the original ARP. I don't want to say it sounds bad, but it lacks a bit of character of the original.

But that's just my personal opinion, based on my ears and my speakers I own.

[Rastkovic]

Oberheim TVP, Xpander or Ensoniq VFX

I had to Google what TVP means, funnily I never read this short version before.

Okay, just a Two Voice with a Pro at the end.

Do you use this kind of tools? I mean, you can already build this type of synths in Softube Modular and Reaktor Blocks very easily. In hardware, I had two Vermona Monolancet's for similar things, and I also build a 4-voice (hardware) modular synth in the past. At the end of the day, you have turnend a lot of knobs.

[Rastkovic]

It's true that some of their older plugins are a bit outdated, but IMO the MS-20 is better than it seems.

Hmm... I must say that I totally disagree. Not that I own the original, but, judging from the sound demos I heard from the original, the Korg Legacy MS-20 is downright lame.

He wrote "but IMO the MS-20 is better than it seems", and that is (also IMO) right.

Maybe it's not a good emulation, but it's a good analogstyle softsynth anyway. It had a very good reputation in the 2000s, and I think it's still not bad.