Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[djpremacy]

yes, buffer size should definately raised when encountering spikes

I use the RME Babyface pro FS at 256 buffer at 44.1 khz. Even 512 is creating the spikes. I can easily spot the spikes in the Bitwig performance graph.
Normally I can run projects with many vst instrument at 128 or 64 buffer without issues. I replaced the 3 instances of Avenger with Diva, Falcon, Rapid and Pigments, duplicated those tracks once more and all is good even at 128 buffer.
Macbook M1 pro 14 inch 10-core/16gb Ram/1tb ssd

No programs running in background and also tried with enabling flight mode. I also checked any startup items in OSX. Disabled Time maschine and also onedrive.
It looks like the spikes are more frequently when the track with Avenger is selected / monitoring. Also when having the Avenger
Plugin window open it seems a bit better.

Hope this can be sorted as Avenger is my main driver

Thanks. I have a M1 Pro MBP, so I should also avoid this plugin based on what I am hearing?

In the end, people told me not buy Nexus and now Avenger turns out to be crap too.

So in the end, I should buy nothing then is what I am hearing.

There are some with M1 support working good if I remember correctly. U-he (maybe not all of their synths but some), also I think Dune3 had M1 support added. Vital maybe (not sure google what the situation is currently). And try to google if they work good with M1

Or just wait until Avenger works good with M1? I should think there will be update for Avenger that will fix the issues in some point?
M1 is quite new, but it seems more and more VST plug-ins are getting M1 support and sure there will be some issues and problems first but maybe they will be fixed.

I use windows so I don’t know what I’m talking about

I also have a good recent windows laptop and Avenger is fine there.
The AU version of Avenger on the M1 in Logic seems to be working a bit better, however still a lot of crackle when monitoring.

Dune3, all Arturia vcollection, Pigments, Serum, Diva, Repro5, Spire, Rapid, Roland Cloud, UVI Falcon, Synthmaster, Sampletank 4, XO in the M1 supported versions all working perfectly fine.
I can have 20, 30 or more instances of above synths in a project and its stable.
Adding 1 or 2 Avenger instances and CPU spikes and crackles appear.

I really hope this can be fixed as it really is one of the best VST synths out and I purchased a lot of expansions.

[m-ac]

Just wanted to chime in and say how much smoother using the new v-manager is for activating licenses and installing new expansions

[Caine123]

hey guys i got some weird problem, i made a small concept song with ONLY avenger + samples. v1.8 and now i reloaded it and the sounds are not correct! in FL20.

anyone else had/has problems recalling the sounds/plugin correctly? i definitely saved it correct cause my mp3 is correct and sounds well and i always export after saving my project

EDIT
ok this is not correct at all, really crap! ahhhh i need support here, i dunno if rene can sort it out as i got a FLP file and i dunno of he can recreate it?

EDIT 2:
it shows missing content and doesnt react, it is PSY XP. i imported all XPs correctly, otherwise i couldnt have used it. was it changed? my project is from september 30th, so pre- v1.8.... i dont have a backup of my OLD PSY XP

EDIT 3:
says invalid expansion.... so something was changed there? it worked on v1.4 but not on v1.8

[Teksonik]

hey guys i got some weird problem, i made a small concept song with ONLY avenger + samples. v1.8 and now i reloaded it and the sounds are not correct! in FL20.

This response was written before your second edit.....

Try using the VST 3 version of Avenger. I was getting crashes in FL Studio with the VST 2 version but none so far with the 3.

If that doesn't work you'll have to open a support ticket:

https://www.vengeance-sound.com/support.php

If you want to post a simple .flp (only factory content) that shows the problem I'll be happy to try it here to see what happens.

[Caine123]

hey guys i got some weird problem, i made a small concept song with ONLY avenger + samples. v1.8 and now i reloaded it and the sounds are not correct! in FL20.

This response was written before your second edit.....

Try using the VST 3 version of Avenger. I was getting crashes in FL Studio with the VST 2 version but none so far with the 3.

If that doesn't work you'll have to open a support ticket:

https://www.vengeance-sound.com/support.php

If you want to post a simple .flp (only factory content) that shows the problem I'll be happy to try it here to see what happens.

thx it seems only the XP PSY so far is a problem, i had the old version v1.4 installed in september and used XP PSY and now reloading the project with the new install v1.8 and new PSY XP version it shows problems and doesnt load the sounds correctly
i dont have my old PSY XP file sadly. crap

[msvs]

Finally, Melodic Techno for VPS Avenger has arrived! Manuel Schleis finally delivers for one of his favourite Genres: "Melodic Techno 1" includes everything which is great about music: Fat vintage analog sounds, warm & deep drums, randomized modulations, euphoric melodies, vocals and polyrhythmic arps. Its all here in outstanding quality, utterly inspiring, unexpected, epic! Did we mention you will also get: vocals? Enjoy a complete collection of female, male & arabic phrases. Every EDM, House, Techno or Trance producer should not hesitate one second to get this beast of an expansion pack!

this expansion adds to your library:

142 Avenger presets 30 new drumkits
30 new drumsquences 100 new granular samples
40 new multisamples 40 new osc-shapes
6 new wavetables 148 new arp patterns

[GMusic]

Finally, Melodic Techno for VPS Avenger has arrived! Manuel Schleis finally delivers for one of his favourite Genres: "Melodic Techno 1" includes everything which is great about music: Fat vintage analog sounds, warm & deep drums, randomized modulations, epic melodies, vocals and polyrhythmic arps. Its all here in outstanding quality, utterly inspiring, unexpected, epic! Did we mention you will also get: vocals? Enjoy a complete collection of female, male & arabic phrases. Every EDM, House, Techno or Trance producer should not hesitate one second to get this beast of an expansion pack!

this expansion adds to your library:

142 Avenger presets 30 new drumkits
30 new drumsquences 100 new granular samples
40 new multisamples 40 new osc-shapes
6 new wavetables 148 new arp patterns

Sounds great! Wish we just have more Avenger expansions and leave Nexus in the dust

Can anybody offer their opinion on this: Why would anybody who owns both Nexus and Avenger want to continue to buy Nexus expansions when they can just buy 'similar' Avenger expansions that sound just as great but offer more flexibility and features?

Also, many of Nexus and Avenger expansions seem to be designed by the same people. Sometimes they even share the same sound sources (Hollywood Pianos, for example. Any others?). Somebody can say Nexus and Avenger don't share the same expansion genres so it's worth it to have both. That may be somewhat true, but they are similar enough overall. And I bet Avenger can put out most any sound Nexus can.

I'm just at conflict with myself as to where to spend my money. Owning both Nexus and Avenger is a blessing burden for my wallet. While tempting to buy great sounding Nexus expansions, these Avenger expansions just get better and better. Not to forget to mention, Bartek is a great salesman

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[msvs]

the difference is easy: while Avenger can edit any detail in the sound, its CPU consumption is x-times higher than Nexus. In fact Nexus is a CPU wonder, you can stack endless instances in your track, making it a true workhorse for everything. Its easy and fast interface and immense amount of XPs does the rest. But for creating own stuff, do complex modulations and having control over everything, Avenger is the way to go.

[Bla28]

the difference is easy: while Avenger can edit any detail in the sound, its CPU consumption is x-times higher than Nexus. In fact Nexus is a CPU wonder, you can stack endless instances in your track, making it a true workhorse for everything. Its easy and fast interface and immense amount of XPs does the rest. But for creating own stuff, do complex modulations and having control over everything, Avenger is the way to go.

Hi Manuel,

Great to see you on this forum. I have a question. I want to buy Avenger with the 25% Xmas discount, however people have reported crackling issues with M1 Pro Mac's. Will this be fixed? And is native Apple Silicone / M1 (Pro / Max) support in the pipeline, or will it always be a X86 plugin?

If this issue will be fixed and a M1 (Pro/Max) native version is in the pipeline, then I suppose I can buy the current version now knowing it will work someday as a M1 (Pro / Max) native plugin. If yes, by when do you expect this M1 (Pro / Max) native version to be ready?

Many thanks for your answer.

[GMusic]

the difference is easy: while Avenger can edit any detail in the sound, its CPU consumption is x-times higher than Nexus. In fact Nexus is a CPU wonder, you can stack endless instances in your track, making it a true workhorse for everything. Its easy and fast interface and immense amount of XPs does the rest. But for creating own stuff, do complex modulations and having control over everything, Avenger is the way to go.

On my system, I do not really notice that much of a difference. Nexus seems to save a couple % of CPU power at best. If it used 1/4 or 1/2 the CPU power, I could see this playing a bigger factor. But that is not the case from what I see when I A/B them.

I also forgot to add, Avenger has a more robust, helpful tagging system and for me is easier to find a sound I'm looking for compared to Nexus. I've NEVER thought of a sound in my head and thought "hmm this sounds spiky."

ALL 6 Nexus tags: dark, bright, active, spiky, wide, dirty.
(Also, as far as I have seen, there are several Nexus expansions that aren't even tagged or only partially tagged).

JUST SOME of Avenger tags: bright/high, dark/low, aggressive, soft/thin, wide/fat, simple/raw, complex, pulsating/moving, noise/lofi, and more...

And, let's not ignore sub outs in Avenger..wow..Nexus is really showing its limitations after watching this:

I think I just affirmed this evening, after writing these thoughts all out, that I am shifting future funds from Nexus to Avenger...it's just too damn good.

[msvs]

Hi, the CPU should be at least >50% less than Avenger, you will surely notice in bigger projects

@Bla28, you should try the demo, if it works there, it will work in the actual main version, too

[msvs]

[zvenx]

Finally, Melodic Techno for VPS Avenger has arrived! Manuel Schleis finally delivers for one of his favourite Genres: "Melodic Techno 1" includes everything which is great about music: Fat vintage analog sounds, warm & deep drums, randomized modulations, euphoric melodies, vocals and polyrhythmic arps. Its all here in outstanding quality, utterly inspiring, unexpected, epic! Did we mention you will also get: vocals? Enjoy a complete collection of female, male & arabic phrases. Every EDM, House, Techno or Trance producer should not hesitate one second to get this beast of an expansion pack!

this expansion adds to your library:

142 Avenger presets 30 new drumkits
30 new drumsquences 100 new granular samples
40 new multisamples 40 new osc-shapes
6 new wavetables 148 new arp patterns

Sounds really good. As usual I am always curious what people do with the SQ patches, unless you are playing music for fun only.

FR: for your website, the ability to add a wish list.

thanks
rsp

[zvenx]

New Avenger update 1.8.2
2021-12-23
We released the new Avenger update 1.8.2.

1.8.2 changelog
- fixed VST3 error where Pitch-Bend did change after a preset was changed ( Cubase 11 )
- fixed tuning error when a chord-preset was selected in the OSC-voicing tab.
- fixed issue where a negative arp-pattern index was possible that may have caused a crash.
- fixed an issue in the chord voice replacement where a note might be assigned wrong to a voice

[msvs]

Sounds really good. As usual I am always curious what people do with the SQ patches, unless you are playing music for fun only.

I love using them in the audio demos... but most of the time not just 1 SQ... I combine them, take an ARP from one, a bassline from another and drums from yet another
sometimes I also turn off the Arp of a SQ's bassline and play own stuff. You can disable or enable anything in a SQ and reverse engineer to a sinewave if needed, remember that. So just see it as a "container" of several sounds in one preset, already fitting together, mixed and on top, a demonstration of a cool melody or chord progression is also included

... and of course its composing aid, live play the complete SQ and compose in realtime. With the new chord detection features you can even chose your own chord progressions.