Nexus 4

[GMusic]

I think they are different tools for different tasks. I use Nexus because it has a wide range of sounds and I have favorited the ones I like and they are instantly searchable available. Avenger for me is more of a sound design tool, although I have purchased a small number of packs for the kinds of sounds I am interested in.

Aside from Hollywood expansions (except the new Piano one), what type of sounds does Nexus offer that Avenger does not?

I think I've listened to every expansion demos for both Nexus and Avenger and struggle to hear any instrumental advantage of Nexus over Avenger, except as noted above. But I ask above because maybe I missed something.

[Bla28]

Since Avenger doesn't work on my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro (i get weird audio artefacts based on the demo I downloaded), I am considering Nexus 4 again.

I am trying to replace my Access Virus TI that doesn't work on my new machine, so I already bought plugins like Omnisphere 2, Serum and Spire. (Diva, Hive and Dune 3 did not go on sale, so I did not buy them yet. But will do it as soon as they go on sale).

Is Nexus 4 a great addition to this collection of plugins to try to replace an Access Virus TI? Or should I simply avoid it like many people have said already.

[LoveEnigma18]

I just saw a teaser video of Avenger 2.0. Looks promising and the GUI looks much better. Not sure when that's coming and what the upgrade price will be like. If there is any fresh info on that it might help with in deciding whether to buy Avenger right now.

I had no idea those teasers existed, thanks. Looks to be 1 year old though. Hope it's coming soon. Looks great!

Yes, indeed. Would be interesting to see that for sure. But looks like it might be 2022/2023 as per some comments. Also, I can easily guess the upgrade price after seeing the Nexus4 upgrade price: $99 at least. Of course, they are different companies, but considering Avenger is more powerful $99 is what we might be looking at. Although it would be great if it was more like $49 or $69.

Yes, Nexus offers some CPU savings as MSVS mentioned in another post. But for my experience/project sizes, this is not a factor. I hardly use more than 10 instances and never had an issue with Nexus or Avenger...can't say the same for U-HE plugins though...my god lol. Try using 10 Divas or Bazilles without overloading CPU

Yeah, depends on projects. Thankfully, I don't have any u-he plugins.

It sounds like you still want Avenger By the way, off topic but... SweetWater sells it with two other payment options if buying at once is not your liking: 36 months 0% interest payment option with their card (currently $5/month) or 3 payments per month (currently $55/month).

Definitely tempting, haha. Only two reasons that make me wanna think twice: Avenger 2.0 upgrade in near future and possible spending on expansions that I really want to avoid since I have Nexus4. Unfortunately, I can't buy from Sweetwater with that option I think as I am not in the US, and I had a problem with a purchase in the past. I would look at Best Service as my best option right now.

I am also planning to get Dune 3. I wonder if Dune 3 and Avenger would be an overlap? Or will they compliment each other well? Any idea?

[tony10000]

I think they are different tools for different tasks. I use Nexus because it has a wide range of sounds and I have favorited the ones I like and they are instantly searchable available. Avenger for me is more of a sound design tool, although I have purchased a small number of packs for the kinds of sounds I am interested in.

Aside from Hollywood expansions (except the new Piano one), what type of sounds does Nexus offer that Avenger does not?

I think I've listened to every expansion demos for both Nexus and Avenger and struggle to hear any instrumental advantage of Nexus over Avenger, except as noted above. But I ask above because maybe I missed something.

The cover some of the same sonic ground because they have the same primary sound designer. But it is like comparing apples to potatoes.

Nexus is best for quick access to a lot of sounds with some tweakability and low CPU. Avenger is more of a serious sound design tool with complete editing capabilities---a true workstation. Nexus is super fast to get around on (and it is useful to me for composing where I want sounds in a hurry). Avenger is a bit slower for that purpose and you have to search for sounds by pack rather in a unified interface.

[noiseboyuk]

Since Avenger doesn't work on my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro (i get weird audio artefacts based on the demo I downloaded), I am considering Nexus 4 again.

I am trying to replace my Access Virus TI that doesn't work on my new machine, so I already bought plugins like Omnisphere 2, Serum and Spire. (Diva, Hive and Dune 3 did not go on sale, so I did not buy them yet. But will do it as soon as they go on sale).

Is Nexus 4 a great addition to this collection of plugins to try to replace an Access Virus TI? Or should I simply avoid it like many people have said already.

Manuel said this in the other forum, but the Avenger demo you tried was not M1 compatible. If M1 users are reporting issues on the CURRENT version, then that's another matter.

Nexus4 still has its place in the world, but I wouldn't ever think of it as a replacement for the Virus Ti. The whole appeal of Virus was hardware control. No other soft synth can compete with that, but having one where editing ability is so constrained feels particularly unworthy.

[GMusic]

I think they are different tools for different tasks. I use Nexus because it has a wide range of sounds and I have favorited the ones I like and they are instantly searchable available. Avenger for me is more of a sound design tool, although I have purchased a small number of packs for the kinds of sounds I am interested in.

Aside from Hollywood expansions (except the new Piano one), what type of sounds does Nexus offer that Avenger does not?

I think I've listened to every expansion demos for both Nexus and Avenger and struggle to hear any instrumental advantage of Nexus over Avenger, except as noted above. But I ask above because maybe I missed something.

Avenger is a bit slower for that purpose and you have to search for sounds by pack rather in a unified interface.

You can search all packs and search by sound type (example: arp) and have a list of tags underneath to quickly narrow down the sound search. To do this, click the CONTENT tab on the left panel, then click the magnifying glass icon (by "CAT" and "FAV") just under the "CONTENT" "INFO" "FILES" tabs.

[GMusic]

I am also planning to get Dune 3. I wonder if Dune 3 and Avenger would be an overlap? Or will they compliment each other well? Any idea?

I have Dune 3 as well. It sounds great but I don't really need it. I would say it's pretty redundant to own both, plus Avenger can do more. If I had to, I'd just stick with Avenger. It was fun to add Dune to my arsenal and play with it a bit, but ultimately life would be simpler, more efficient and still have more sonic options by just sticking with Avenger.

To make my post somewhat on topic: If I only owned Nexus and not Avenger, I would also pick up Dune 3 for the flexibility of sound design. I think Nexus and Dune 3 compliment each other.

[LoveEnigma18]

I am also planning to get Dune 3. I wonder if Dune 3 and Avenger would be an overlap? Or will they compliment each other well? Any idea?

I have Dune 3 as well. It sounds great but I don't really need it. I would say it's pretty redundant to own both, plus Avenger can do more. If I had to, I'd just stick with Avenger. It was fun to add Dune to my arsenal and play with it a bit, but ultimately life would be simpler, more efficient and still have more sonic options by just sticking with Avenger.

Thanks for your opinion. I was thinking along the same lines. I love how Dune 3 sounds but just trying to see if I can eliminate some choices (Spire being the other one, but I have almost decided against it). I will demo Dune 3 and Avenger some more.

We are already a bit off-topic, so let me ask this in case you or anyone knows: Can Avenger can be resold? Any license transfer fees? Does it become NFR after transfer?

[Bla28]

Since Avenger doesn't work on my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro (i get weird audio artefacts based on the demo I downloaded), I am considering Nexus 4 again.

I am trying to replace my Access Virus TI that doesn't work on my new machine, so I already bought plugins like Omnisphere 2, Serum and Spire. (Diva, Hive and Dune 3 did not go on sale, so I did not buy them yet. But will do it as soon as they go on sale).

Is Nexus 4 a great addition to this collection of plugins to try to replace an Access Virus TI? Or should I simply avoid it like many people have said already.

Manuel said this in the other forum, but the Avenger demo you tried was not M1 compatible. If M1 users are reporting issues on the CURRENT version, then that's another matter.

Nexus4 still has its place in the world, but I wouldn't ever think of it as a replacement for the Virus Ti. The whole appeal of Virus was hardware control. No other soft synth can compete with that, but having one where editing ability is so constrained feels particularly unworthy.

Yeah, I did not mean that the Nexus 4 would be a Access Virus TI replacement. More like Omnisphere 2 + Spire + Serum + Nexus 4 + Avenger would do the job.

Diva and Dune 3 will have to wait as they are not offering a Xmas discount at the moment.

[Bartone]

Since Avenger doesn't work on my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro (i get weird audio artefacts based on the demo I downloaded), I am considering Nexus 4 again.

I am trying to replace my Access Virus TI that doesn't work on my new machine, so I already bought plugins like Omnisphere 2, Serum and Spire. (Diva, Hive and Dune 3 did not go on sale, so I did not buy them yet. But will do it as soon as they go on sale).

Is Nexus 4 a great addition to this collection of plugins to try to replace an Access Virus TI? Or should I simply avoid it like many people have said already.

Manuel said this in the other forum, but the Avenger demo you tried was not M1 compatible. If M1 users are reporting issues on the CURRENT version, then that's another matter.

Nexus4 still has its place in the world, but I wouldn't ever think of it as a replacement for the Virus Ti. The whole appeal of Virus was hardware control. No other soft synth can compete with that, but having one where editing ability is so constrained feels particularly unworthy.

Yeah, I did not mean that the Nexus 4 would be a Access Virus TI replacement. More like Omnisphere 2 + Spire + Serum + Nexus 4 + Avenger would do the job.

Diva and Dune 3 will have to wait as they are not offering a Xmas discount at the moment.

Many people say Viper is very similar to Virus (for the sound). Have you tried Viper?

[Bla28]

Since Avenger doesn't work on my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro (i get weird audio artefacts based on the demo I downloaded), I am considering Nexus 4 again.

I am trying to replace my Access Virus TI that doesn't work on my new machine, so I already bought plugins like Omnisphere 2, Serum and Spire. (Diva, Hive and Dune 3 did not go on sale, so I did not buy them yet. But will do it as soon as they go on sale).

Is Nexus 4 a great addition to this collection of plugins to try to replace an Access Virus TI? Or should I simply avoid it like many people have said already.

Manuel said this in the other forum, but the Avenger demo you tried was not M1 compatible. If M1 users are reporting issues on the CURRENT version, then that's another matter.

Nexus4 still has its place in the world, but I wouldn't ever think of it as a replacement for the Virus Ti. The whole appeal of Virus was hardware control. No other soft synth can compete with that, but having one where editing ability is so constrained feels particularly unworthy.

Yeah, I did not mean that the Nexus 4 would be a Access Virus TI replacement. More like Omnisphere 2 + Spire + Serum + Nexus 4 + Avenger would do the job.

Diva and Dune 3 will have to wait as they are not offering a Xmas discount at the moment.

Many people say Viper is very similar to Virus (for the sound). Have you tried Viper?

I wish I could. The developer has made it clear there will be no MAC version in the foresee able future so I have to look elsewhere.

[msvs]

sure just get N4 instead of Avenger, definately the lightest CPU plugins existing compared to what comes out of it

[Mirko R.]

I secretly wish Manuel would ditch Nexus, Mirko ditch Rapid, and they both focus on Avenger and the expansions, making them even greater than they already are! But I know this is likely impossible to happen.

WTF are you talking about? I will never ditch my baby RAPID!

[GMusic]

I secretly wish Manuel would ditch Nexus, Mirko ditch Rapid, and they both focus on Avenger and the expansions, making them even greater than they already are! But I know this is likely impossible to happen.

WTF are you talking about? I will never ditch my baby RAPID!

Well I guess my wish changed from likely impossible to impossible. ;(

[Stan Navi]

I secretly wish Manuel would ditch Nexus, Mirko ditch Rapid, and they both focus on Avenger and the expansions, making them even greater than they already are! But I know this is likely impossible to happen.

WTF are you talking about? I will never ditch my baby RAPID!

Great to hear it!
Because Rapid + Nexus is the best option for me, than Avenger + Nexus.
Rapid is very light on CPU, though sound great. It is easy for sound design. And i can fast layer it with Nexus, which is great for arrangement stage.