New MPE synths...

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jray wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:42 am I've been thinking about getting a standalone synth to pair with my Linnstrument 128 recently [...] it would be nice to have something portable to take with me.

How is the Argon8m when it comes to ease of creating patches? I see that there's an iOS app where quite a few things are accessible, but what about on the unit itself?

I had a Novation Peak for a while (which I regret selling!).
How portable something is depends on one's personal tolerance for lugging stuff around, setting it up, dealing with cables and power supplies, etc. To that end, admittedly, my idea of portable can be more than what some people are willing to put up with. :wink: In my opinion, the Argon is a very portable synth; but you will need a USB power supply for the LinnStrument and a DIN MIDI cable, in addition to the Argon's power supply.

The Argon8M has about as immediate an interface as one might expect from a synth of that size and depth. It's not exactly knob-per-function, of course, but you can access every parameter from the panel with minimal menu-diving. It's in the same realm as Elektron in that respect: i.e. most of the important parameters have their own knob or button, and the rest are typically one button push away. There are a fair number of shift functions mind you. But then, that's the curse of small synths with deep sound engines. Another option you might consider is the MicroMonsta 2—it is yet smaller, and more akin to the Elektron workflow. The A8M and the MM2 are also the only two hardware synths on the market currently that seem to have MPE implemented properly.

The Peak, incidentally, is one of my favourite synths. If they were to implement MPE, it would be mine in a blink. Sufficed to say, I feel your regret. :(

Cheers!

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The new iOS SampleWiz 2 app from Bleass has support for MPE, plus there's an in-app purchase that gets you another 64 MPE presets. I've only played with it for maybe 10 minutes, but there's some nice sounds in there

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bleass-sa ... at=1l3vwb5

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Hey jray, I guess it depends on your abilities. I don't use the modalapp at all really, I do my editing on the unit itself. The other thing I love with it, is I can tweak on the fly and not save changes. Also all the knobs are midi assignable in DAW.
For my purposes it's an ideal combo with my Linnstrument.

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BLEASS Alpha is now also available for Mac & Windows...
And there seems to be a sale on Pluginboutique...

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Over at Gearspace, there is confirmation from Beta testers and a link to a twitter account by one of the Waldorf Sound Engineers that version 3.0 of the OS for their Iridium will include MPE. It's in more or less final beta now (bug fixes) and is already there in the beta. I don't own an Iridium, but will consider buying one if MPE is included in the software.

Also, I just picked up a pack of free MPE presets over at the Sensel (Morph) website. I don't own a Morph, and the presets are still a free download. Nice. I plan to use it for Pigments at the moment, but there are MPE presets for the following software and Hardware: Serum, Bitwig, Pigments, Aalto, Kaivo, Quanta, Phosphor, Continua, Live, Generate, Pendulate, Vital and Hydrasynth.

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I have a Waldorf Iridium and can verify the MPE works great with it, at least when it’s patched through Bitwig anyway.

Haven’t had the Iridium or the LinnStrument all that long yet but was glad the combination works so well.

My biggest beef with the Iridium, outside of so many of the presets swimming in oceans of reverb, is the occasional white screen of death which Waldorf knows about but has yet to address. If I was relying on it for live performance I’d be even more concerned.

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JefVerbeeck wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:23 am Hi,

The Sequential Prophet-6 and OB-6 do not respond correctly to pressure/Z in MPE mode: the Aftertouch is not applied per voice but globally and since there are 6 streams of (Channel) Aftertouch coming in, it starts glitching between all incoming Aftertouch values.

In standard mode, polyphonic aftertouch works just fine.

Sequential confirmed this as a bug and added it to their internal bug list for the Prophet 6/OB-6.
With the latest OS (1.7.5) you can use aftertouch in MPE mode without glitching. It is implemented as “polyphonic aftertouch”, not as aftertouch per channel. Aftertouch per channel still is glitchy, so you have to adjust your Linnstrument settings.

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Aardman wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:26 am I have a Waldorf Iridium and can verify the MPE works great with it, at least when it’s patched through Bitwig anyway.

My biggest beef with the Iridium, outside of so many of the presets swimming in oceans of reverb, is the occasional white screen of death which Waldorf knows about but has yet to address. If I was relying on it for live performance I’d be even more concerned.
My interest in the Iridium is to have a box that is fully MPE compatible with no computer attached. I have that with the Hydrasynth, but the HS sound design options, while very deep, don't get close to shat Iridium can do (ergo the HS (Desktop) costs less than one-third what the IR costs). IR just seems to do so much in one single hardware box, which is pretty ideal for me.

I appreciate your warning about the hardware/software issues of the Iridium. I've been keeping an eye on the IR thread over at Gearspace to see the extent to which Waldorf is addressing these issues. I definitely won't buy one until firmware version 3.0 is out and it looks like they've addressed the manufacturing issues (e.g. bent or warped frame/box, glitchy touch screen, flimsy module buttons). I've been hoping they would find other suppliers with better hardware quality control and temperament. In light of all the issues the current model has, it is very surprising to me that it seems basically impossible to find a used one on the market (over at Reverb).

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BTW, I noticed that Pigments seems to glitch a bit when recording a track using slide, pressure and y axis on the Linnstrument if I use more than three pads simultaneously. I was surprised by this, considering I am using USB Midi and am running Pigments inside Logic Pro X (10.7.2) in Native Apple Silicon Mode (Pigments runs native on Apple Silicon with version 3.5) and am using a new MacBook Pro, with an M1 Pro architecture (10 cores and 16 GB RAM) and had nothing else running in the background. This must be some kind of midi overload with Pigments. I do not have this issue at all when using the Linnstrument with Equator 2 inside Logic with the same hardware configuration. Later this week, I will see if the same thing happens if I am using Pigments inside Bitwig instead of Logic (can't see why it would make a difference, but maybe).

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Thanks for all the updates. I am very keen to get a hardware MPE synth, but I really want one with a decent mod matrix, and preferably bugs that don't affect MPE, so I wait. I know someone who has the 3.0 beta with the Iridium and reports no problems. But I wait....

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The Hydrasynth has a really powerful mod matrix that is also very intuitive and seems to me that it works great.

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There are a few issues with the Hydrasynth's MPE implementation, yet to be fixed:

viewtopic.php?f=263&t=538346&hilit=hydrasynth&start=75

Cheers!

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re: *Non*-MPE synths...
John the Savage wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:11 am The Argon8M has about as immediate an interface as one might expect from a synth of that size and depth. It's not exactly knob-per-function, of course, but you can access every parameter from the panel with minimal menu-diving.
Bought my daughter a StudioLogic Sledge for her b-day a few months back. (It was a super good used deal, not much more than an arranger keyboard and has Fatar keybed so thought I could kinda justify it.) It is completely knob-per-function, which is just so much fun to play around with and as I hoped has enabled her to craft sounds of her own. Has Waldorf internals and personally I think the sound is really sweet and unique. Haven't hooked it up to Linnstrument yet but looking forward to doing so. No MPE of course, but does have 24 voices and 2 splits with ability to define completely separate settings. I *think* it has polyphonic aftertouch but will have to check. Was my first experience programming synths and I think it spoiled me, clicking around with mouse on tiny pretend dials in Logic Pro feels a lot more like a chore than fun.

Also, just saw this ... here is hoping that StudioLogic sees fit to update the Sledge as well! That would be amazing:
michaeljk1963 wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:51 am Over at Gearspace, there is confirmation from Beta testers and a link to a twitter account by one of the Waldorf Sound Engineers that version 3.0 of the OS for their Iridium will include MPE. It's in more or less final beta now (bug fixes) and is already there in the beta. I don't own an Iridium, but will consider buying one if MPE is included in the software.

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Bleass Omega for iOS, Mac and Windows (https://www.bleass.com/omega/) comes with MPE support. It's only 2-dimensions - "Slide" (X axis) and "Pressure" (Z axis) - but still handy.

Their previous release, Bleass SampleWiz 2, also came with MPE support for the same 2 dimensions. Hopefully this is a sign that Bleass plans to include MPE support in all their soft synths going forward.

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Thanks-- I've added Omega to the Recommended Sounds page.

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