Reason 3.0 announced

[munchkin]

In the Will Smith interview I read, he was talking about making music with computers like it was something new and cutting edge. Tell that to Meffy!

Well, I've been using computers to make music since about 1970. But I've never been particularly good at it. Never had the money or the talent. Some have it, some don't. I don't.

If Will would drop 'round my place, we could have a lot of fun together, I'm sure. He doesn't phone as often these days though. I think he's too busy. *sigh* Ah, the good old days!


Meffy

P.S.: If anyone has an IBM 360 and four or more old Selectric terminals I could borrow or keep, I'd be glad to try recreating several of my earliest rhythm compositions. Wrote 'em around 1971 or '72, in APL, on a little side branch of what I think was called DARPAnet back then. They've renamed it since.

Meffy you were either a five year old prodigy at the time or you're now 110 years old! Don't let them young wippersnapers off the hook!

I don't think anyone has mentioned that it's nearly xmas and as the props are from the north they probably wanted to climb down each Reason users chimney and deposit something in your stocking.

God I'm childish sometimes...

[VitaminD]

(oh arps, another thing I they didnt include in R3 is midi effects ).

Kinda OT, but I don't use ARPs, so I don't see what the big deal is. I guess its more my style of music than anything, so I'm gonna have to take your word for it (and I do, as I believe you have a good pulse for this kind of thing). Actually, tons of people have requested the Arp.

Hopefully it makes the list for you.

But, that's what Live4 and VST's are for methinks. I can get an ARP VST in Live and sequence the module in Reason

yeah.. but with this logic reason shouldnt be developed anymore..

we dont need mastering features because there is rewire and VST's for that

we dont need arps because rewire and ext is for that

we dont need ______ because rewire and plugin _____ is for that.


but I'm with AD80.. rewire is just big and clunky..

why do props expect us to load a second host and plugin into memory when we may only want to load the plugin? It leads to a lot of wasted cpu and memory being used.. and, yes, they are both still precious today..

I would still like to see either a closely guarded (shared to only a select few) reason file format sdk which easily ports from VST code OR even better (imo) a very small (footprint and memory-wise) vst/vsti loader that works in tandem with reason but is made to work specifically for reason.

If they included this, there would just be a 'vst tandem loader' device in reason which would link the actual tandem vst program. That way if there was a buggy vst/vsti, it would crash the tandem program and not reason itself. I'm pretty sure they can setup some kind of logic that does this "if(exception of some sort occurs){ exit tandem_device;}" cheapo pseudopseudo code.. but I think it gets my idea across

actually I'm surprised they havent teamed up with the powercore or UAD-1 people and either made their ('core or Uad) plugins work in reason.. or made a special powered card for reason itself.. but maybe thats just another dumb idea.

[hvaring]

Why do people keep sayin this type of thing? Yes Reason is stable, but so are a lot of other hosts and VST's . Thats not even a valid argument anymore.

Oh it is -- if you've been exposed to Cubase SX 3.0.0 ... it's a textbook example of how wrong things go when a release is rushed out without proper quality control. There are literally dozens of bugs reported by the user community on the Cubase forums, and confirmed by Steinberg.

[machinesworking]

Why do people keep sayin this type of thing? Yes Reason is stable, but so are a lot of other hosts and VST's . Thats not even a valid argument anymore. I know first hand Reason is very stable, but so are my other hosts with VST's, so what.

Really? All the time? A VST NEVER takes out your host? I find that hard to believe. I love VST/AU/DX/RTAS/MAS/OU812/XYZ/RTFM, but the very nature of third party software that runs inside a host makes for the possibility that something doesn't work the way it's supposed to at some point.

This is the strong point to Reason, and I don't think it's unreasonable to mention it.

Now the fact that crashes and incompatibility are almost non existent compared to a few years ago, you have a point with that, but no host could possibly be as stable as Reason 100% of the time IMO.

[zircon]

Zircon, the mastering stuff appears to be for the experts who can and do produce whole songs in Reason. [edit] (And those who'd like to become more expert, too.) Some of those guys impress the heck out of me, using far less "stuff" than I would guess possible for the results they get.

Maybe they could do even more impressive songs if they bought more software. And maybe an experienced blues guitarist could make more impressive music if he bought footlockers of effects units and amp sims. ;->

Different strokes for different courses, or something like that.

Meffy

[edit] Schnapp!

I don't know of any "experts" that produce whole songs in Reason, start to finish. I do know a whole lot of Reason lovers that use it with Cubase. I know Prodigy uses it.. with Pro Tools. It's great software, but it doesn't (and shouldn't) stand alone. I'm obviously going to use the mastering machines if I do upgrade to R3, but what I'm saying is I would have preferred they spend their time on something else, since myself and many, many other Reason users do their final mastering elsewhere.

[Meffy]

Meffy you were either a five year old prodigy at the time or you're now 110 years old! Don't let them young wippersnapers off the hook!

I was a teenager. =^_^= Ghawds above and below, what a teenager I was.

Meffy

[Meffy]

I don't know of any "experts" that produce whole songs in Reason, start to finish.

To me they appear to be experts. Their music sounds professional and polished to me. Your criteria might be tighter, or your ear better, than mine. :-)

Meffy

[DHR53]

Hmmm... I don't like Rewire, never did... too much hassle to set up in Logic, although it is easier in Live. But, I just create my loops/shots per situation, and export them out as wave files into Live... works great! And, it's the bomb for drum loops, already panned, a little reverb... Since I'm one of the people who really uses Reason a lot, I can understand the disappointment people have that it's not going to become a "Host"... I was hoping for that myself! But at this point, I'm going to use it with Live and move on... The combinator with Redrum and some better compression may make the utimate drum machine! I'm already getting some really cool loops out of Reason, and working from a compositional standpoint in Live...

[xg2]

(oh arps, another thing I they didnt include in R3 is midi effects ).

but I'm with AD80.. rewire is just big and clunky..

why do props expect us to load a second host and plugin into memory when we may only want to load the plugin? It leads to a lot of wasted cpu and memory being used.. and, yes, they are both still precious today..

Exactly.
As long as the users continue to accept lack of VST support as somehow an ADVANTAGE, then the Props won't change it.
I have to laugh every time somebody suggests to me that I just open ANOTHER app. and use Rewire, to run VSTs while using Reason, when every other music app. out there quite happily uses them already.

And as far as Reason's 'stability' - the popular myth being spread that VSTs crash your app. so much that it's a problem, is laughable. I'm sure there are a handful of old, badly coded VSTs out there, that aren't very good anyway, and crash your host the moment you load them up. I've never come across one that would crash the host some time AFTER being loaded up, it only happened during the loading. And so what? I'd rather have the risk of my host crashing and the CHOICE of every VST under the sun, than be stuck in a closed architecture.

Still, this all a bit too negative, and no doubt I'll be banned for saying anything against Reason, especially when it's true, and especially when other people agree with me (or vice versa)...

[Stupid American Pig]

I think that reason *is* slightly more stable than other hosts out there, but none that I use are all that crash prone unless I threw reaktor into the mix(but thanks to aMUSED, that is no longer a problem )

[Meffy]

no doubt I'll be banned for saying anything against Reason, especially when it's true, and especially when other people agree with me (or vice versa)...

... again. :-D

Meffy
poor widdle snoogums, diddums booboo?

[xg2]

Well, I think it HAS attracted power users since 2.0 as I don't recall these guys using it at version 1:

The Crystal Method
The Prodigy
Beastie Boys

Do you know them personally to check? You can also add Will Smith to the list, but that doesn't prove anything. Just because someone has made music through other means doesn't make them an advanced computer user. In the Will Smith interview I read, he was talking about making music with computers like it was something new and cutting edge.

If only you could see the irony in that statement!
In other words, like a typical Reason user, he probably was amazed because it looks like "a whole rack of synths".
Perhaps he wondered how they managed to fit all those synths inside that tiny little computer chip...

[Stupid American Pig]

Meff- I also find that repitition is the key to humor.

[Meffy]

Meff- I also find that repitition is the key to humor.

Just in case he missed it before. ;-) He does seem kind of slow on the uptake, might as well be kind and give him another chance.

Dickie Smothers: Tommy, what's the key to comed-

Tommy Smothers: TIMING!

Meffy

[ericj23]

sampletank 1
sampletank 2
any version of reaktor
ppg wave
bfd

just a quick list of vsts that i have had bitter experience of them taking down my system after being installed

yeah - all vsts are stable - they never need updates - all those posts on the k-v-r news page about software are just made up to con people into buying reason

why do you think ben is threatening to ban you - you've rumbled his evil plot - damn you pesky kids