Cool new plug in format on the way -- CLAP

[rasmusklump]

You are obviously stalking Markus to get rid of your nonsense

[Markus Krause]

@Anx,
as usual you're posting off-topic garbage, trying to provocate and start an argument. That's why all your comments will be ignored. All your attempts to derail the tread will be reported to the moderation.

[AnX]

You are obviously stalking Markus to get rid of your nonsense

or just stating a fact, but whatever floats dein boot...

[Markus Krause]

That's why CLAP is something we need:

•  The 'big' DAWs did get so popular since we Indy developers did create great content for their platform.
•  Steinberg/Apple is a big commercial enterprise with a dominant market position. Their goal is to get a financial advantage, and they want to keep the competition away.
•  Steinberg's/Apple's plugin standard is not open-source. By using licensing contracts and by defining interface standards they can control the market.
•  By owning and frequently changing an important interface-standard Steinberg can keep competing DAW- and plugin-developers busy and always one step behind.
•  After more than a decade VST3 still has not replaced VST2.
•  We Indy developers need to pay money to Apple to be allowed to distribute software on their platform (you need a certificate). They also take away rater big fees when you use the App store for software distribution (it was around 30% and recently has been lowered).

We plan to support the new format (CLAP) and will collaborate with U-he and the other companies involved to establish it.
CLAP is open-source, it's simple, it's free for all and there are no unfair licensing conditions.
 

[jamcat]

Oh sure, that’s just what working musicians need right now. Yet another format to wait on developers yet another decade to support.

Meanwhile, in the real world, most of us are still waiting on developers to update their plugins for 64-bit/VST3/M1. You know, to work with the actual computers and DAWs we use.

Focus your limited development resources on that, not something that will never be a thing.

[starflakeprj]

Oh sure, that’s just what working musicians need right now. Yet another format to wait on developers yet another decade to support.

With that attitude the electric car would never have seen the light of the day.

[DJ Warmonger]

[jamcat]

[*] Steinberg/Apple is a big commercial enterprise with a dominant market position. Their goal is to get a financial advantage, and they want to keep the competition away.

Neither are dominant in their respective markets. Allowing your competition to freely incorporate and develop for your platform isn’t the way to keep competition away.

[*] Steinberg's/Apple's plugin standard is not open-source. By using licensing contracts and by defining interface standards they can control the market.

This all sounds a bit paranoid. Steinberg created an automatable open format that anyone could support for free in 1996 because it was badly needed, and we’ve all benefitted from it for 25 years. Independent developers particularly. You wouldn’t have a company were it not for evil Steinberg.

[*] By owning and frequently changing an important interface-standard Steinberg can keep competing DAW- and plugin-developers busy and always one step behind.

This is a joke, right? Cubase isn’t one step ahead of anyone.

[*] After more than a decade VST3 still has not replaced VST2.

And you think that yet another plugin format would be the solution to fragmentation?

[*] We Indy developers need to pay money to Apple to be allowed to distribute software on their platform (you need a certificate). They also take away rater big fees when you use the App store for software distribution (it was around 30% and recently has been lowered).

No one forced you to do that. You pay the money because you make money. If it wasn’t profitable you wouldn’t do it. You can throw it all away and just develop CLAP plugins for Linux if you want. But then you would be a hobbyist, not a professional developer.

We plan to support the new format (CLAP) and will collaborate with U-he and the other companies involved to establish it.
CLAP is open-source, it's simple, it's free for all and there are no unfair licensing conditions.

That sounds like a very poor allocation of resources with zero upside and no ROI for your company from a business standpoint, if you ask me. But you do you.

[starflakeprj]

[Urs]

Steinberg created an automatable open format that anyone could support for free in 1996 because it was badly needed, and we’ve all benefitted from it for 25 years.

And then they took it away.

[Urs]

Again, also, in case this hasn't sunk in yet or maybe people haven't understood the concept: CLAP is designed to speed up VST3 development for developers and minimise common issues. So, what's not to like about that?

[quikquak]

Just make sure it doesn't get called 'The Clap'. 🥵
Oh, too late....

[Urs]

Yeah, as I said elsewhere, the Clap jokes typically die after two or three days.

[quikquak]

As long as you're sure - hopefully more and more people will want a dose of it. sorry.

[mystran]

Yeah, as I said elsewhere, the Clap jokes typically die after two or three days.

I'd say a bigger potential issue with this name choice is that it might not be very googleable.. but you'll [edit: fixed, I don't see myself living long enough to see anything] see what happens.