Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[BertKoor]

Sure, you pull a reference out of thin air, detune both your G string and high E to F and begin to sing.



Here "Do" happens to be B♭

[fmr]

"La Symphonie no 40 en sol mineur, K. 550 a été composée par Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart"

It will be the same in Italian, in Spanish, or in Portuguese.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphonie_no_40_de_Mozart

In Dutch we call it Symfonie nr. 40 in G mineur, KV 550

It makes sense, since the Netherlands are somehow closer to Germany than to France

I thought that Do could be any note. But sure when Do = C then Sol = G.

If you are talking about singing solfeggio (the "solmization" method) yes, but if you are talking about the musical system in latin countries, not. I don't know how it is in France or in Italy, but here we sing with the "real" note names, although we say the same name for Eb or E, and for F or F#. In this case, when singing it will be Mi (doesn't matter if it's Mib or Mi) and Fa (doesn't matter of it's F or F#).

Соль минор? Σολ ελάσσονα...

Ironically google translates that (from Bulgarian) as "G minor? Very nice"

this is getting silly.

I don't believe that "Соль" is simply G. Of course it will be translated as G minor in english, because that's how it is IN ENGLISH

But "Соль" is clearly a word, not a single letter. "минор" is minor (as long as I can read Cyrillic), and the first word sounds something like "soli", I think. Maybe someone here comes from one of those countries and can enlighten us about it.

[fmr]

Spoken\singing traditions from millennia ago. Music was not a privilege.

Of course not

[shawshawraw]

Ah, I got it now. Google search helped.
Apparently some "genius" (actually an idiot, let's face it), sometime ago decided to invent:
movable Do, Re, Mi...

This whole nonsense has to stop.
Honestly.

The dumbification of the young generation of musicians has to stop!
For the older ones it is too late, I'm afraid.

Gosh, sounds like you have perfect absolute pitch to sing Do = C every time! Nonsense. Sorry. Do you sing?

[Pashkuli]

Sure, you pull a reference out of thin air, detune both your G string and high E to F and begin to sing.



Here "Do" happens to be B♭

Cringe video demo. And again... indoctrination.

Well, I am sure that medieval monks were not tuned to A=440Hz either when they sang
Ut, Re, Mi.
But there we have it:

Someone's favourite lyrics (psalm).
Someone's favourite tune (sing line).
Someone's favourite alphabet (Latin, 'cause "it is the best").
Done — Music note names.
Indoctrination of those favourites all over the plebs, please.

Pathetic.

[fmr]

Sure, you pull a reference out of thin air, detune both your G string and high E to F and begin to sing.



Here "Do" happens to be B♭

Cringe video demo. And again... indoctrination.

Well, I am sure that medieval monks were not tuned to A=44Hz either when they sang
Ut, Re, Mi.

No... They used to tune themselves according to the organ of each church (which varied a lot from church to church).

And they didn't sung "Ut, Re, Mi". That was a method created by Guido d'Arezzo to TEACH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_of_Arezzo

They sung the words of each hymn, psalm or whatever prayer chant they were supposed to sing.

Apparently, Guido's method was so good that it survived ONE THOUSAND YEARS

[gaggle of hermits]

Someone's favourite lyrics (psalm).
Someone's favourite tune (sing line).
Someone's favourite alphabet (Latin, 'cause "it is the best").
Done — Music note names.
Indoctrination of those favourites all over the plebs, please.

almost like inventing a "new" notation system that does 12tet and only 12tet (with latin-alphabet letters no less).

what's that word again? oh yeah: indoctrination.

[fmr]

Indoctrination of those favourites all over the plebs, please.

almost like inventing a "new" notation system that does 12tet and only 12tet (with latin-alphabet letters no less).

what's that word again? oh yeah: indoctrination.

[Pashkuli]

@fmr
I know what "Соʌь" or "Соль" is. Yes it is G, (Sol) but also it means 'salt'. But Sol means Sun in Spanish. Also in Portugese (maybe?). Maybe in Itallian as well. Nevermind.

It is wrong.

[BertKoor]

It is wrong.

No, it's not. Just a convention that is taught in music school.
Just like we all understand 1 + 1 = 2. Or is that indoctrination as well?

[Pashkuli]

almost like inventing a "new" notation system that does 12tet and only 12tet (with latin-alphabet letters no less).

what's that word again? oh yeah: indoctrination.

I speak here in this forum in English, using Latin letters for PMN.

The Cyrillic match are:
Б, Д, Ф, Г, Ʌ, М, Н, П, Р, С, Т, В

The Greek match is:
Β, Δ, Φ, Γ, Λ, Μ, Ν, Π, Ρ, Σ, Τ, Y

[fmr]

@fmr
I know what "Соʌь" or "Соль" is. Yes it is G, (Sol) but also it means 'salt'. But Sol means Sun in Spanish. Also in Portugese (maybe?). Maybe in Itallian as well. Nevermind.

So, it's Sol, not G... Gladf you clarified it.

Yes, sun is "Sol" in Spanish, as well as in Portuguese. So what? In Italian, sun is "Sole", not Sol. And in French, sun is "Soleil", not Sol. But the musical note is Sol in ALL of these languages. And it's not up to you to say it is right or wrong. It is as it is. Period.

For me, Sol is right, G is wrong (something I have to use to those that don't know better)

[fmr]

almost like inventing a "new" notation system that does 12tet and only 12tet (with latin-alphabet letters no less).

what's that word again? oh yeah: indoctrination.

I speak here in this forum in English, using Latin letters for PMN.

The Cyrillic match are:
Б, Д, Ф, Г, Ʌ, М, Н, П, Р, С, Т, В

The Greek match is:
Β, Δ, Φ, Γ, Λ, Μ, Ν, Π, Ρ, Σ, Τ, Y

Oh... this is much clearer now? How is it in Mandarin? And Japanese? Korean? Thai? This will be truly "universal"

[Pashkuli]

No, it's not. Just a convention that is taught in music school.
Just like we all understand 1 + 1 = 2. Or is that indoctrination as well?

Yes it is. I am sure you know it is an indoctrination masked as a convention.
Numerals are fine. Thankfully at least those managed to stand against... you know who... roman numerals.

Music notation is at stake now.

[fmr]

Numerals are fine. Thankfully at least those managed to stand against... you know who... roman numerals.

So arab is fine. Only roman (latin) is problematic?