Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[Pashkuli]

Oh... this is much clearer now? How is it in Mandarin? And Japanese? Korean? Thai? This will be truly "universal"

You may be a bit slow or have missed the notation symbols (noteheads) earlier.
Those are universal...
You know: circle, triangle, square...

[fmr]

Oh... this is much clearer now? How is it in Mandarin? And Japanese? Korean? Thai? This will be truly "universal"

You may be a bit slow or have missed the notation symbols (noteheads) earlier.
Those are universal...
You know: circle, triangle, square...

Or, to make it simple, black heads and white heads (oh look, I ended with just two - much easier)

[imrae]

This is going to be fun. what were these names, for all the "tones" of 12tet, that is?

I would also be interested in the answer to this question.

Well, for that you will need to go search for books not only in English. Some have been translated into English, but... let's face it. Europe is not the centre of the world. Actually it has never been.

If this existed and was recorded it seems like something western scholars would be interested in and write about. If you're not offering any evidence I'll assume you made it up.

Right. Spoken as a true revolutionary. Start with a blank slate. Burn all bridges behind you. Destroy the corrupted history as if it never happened.

Indeed. Just a blank sheet and a pencil.
That is how PMN started.

I woke up one day and said to myself: forget what you know (been taught to)

Ah, you may have a head-start there.

[Pashkuli]

So arab is fine. Only roman (latin) is problematic?

Yes, apparently. Dial a phone number, read a bill.
Buy something... what do you see?

[fmr]

So arab is fine. Only roman (latin) is problematic?

Yes, apparently. Dial a phone number, read a bill.
Buy something... what do you see?

My money disappearing?

[Pashkuli]

So arab is fine. Only roman (latin) is problematic?

Yes, apparently. Dial a phone number, read a bill.
Buy something... what do you see?

My money disappearing?

Oh, it is how it is... but show us, let's see how the amount looks like.

[fmr]

So arab is fine. Only roman (latin) is problematic?

Yes, apparently. Dial a phone number, read a bill.
Buy something... what do you see?

My money disappearing?

Oh, it is how it is... but show us, let's see how the amount looks like.

Looks like €, $, £, ¥, ₽ ... depends what currency you use. Without the symbol, the numbers are meaningless. Actually, numbers/figures without a reference are ALWAYS meaningless. They are an abstraction.

Words, OTOH...

Back into music: Musical notes and score writing are ABSTRACTIONS as well. Sound is a physical reality, and doesn't need that to exist. Actually, you don't translate SOUNDS. You translate pitches (just a few pitches) and relative durations (not even ABSOLUTE durations). No notation ever says you ANYTHING regarding THE SOUND.

The current music notation abstraction is something built up along several centuries (it started with very simple neumes, that grew up in complexity until, sometimes later, a new system evolved from that first one, more abstract and complex, but able to translate more things). But even the current system has limitations. That doesn't mean it doesn't serve its purpose. It serves it well.

Only new realities (like electronic music, based on sounds and sound sculpting) face the boundaries of that system and its limitations to translate timbres and timbral changes.

But neither does yours. Yours is as limited as the current notation system. Only worse and more convoluted, IMO. Your system is a solution to a problem that ONLY YOU SEE, apparently

[Pashkuli]

If this existed and was recorded it seems like something western scholars would be interested in and write about. If you're not offering any evidence I'll assume you made it up.

Yes, all made up.
Only Music notes, Do, Re, Mi... A, B, C... and the music stave are as such since the Big Bang.

[Hink]

but do understand the point of having a universal system? We have one, it surely is flawed, it's manmade, but it is very well established and quite widely known as the standard. Metric vs imperial, metric is far more logical than imperial, but in many places it just did not catch on because the standard was in place and the affect a major change in that is huge.

I honestly have no problem with this thread (if your use of you statements escalates that might change) but as I see it you are just trying to reinvent the wheel. You have an uphill battle, KvR is probably going to be among the least brutal places you'll get responses from, I hope you are indeed aware of that.

[fmr]

This is a score more than 50 years old now. It looks as new and strange as it looked back then.

This was an attempt to overcome the limitations of the current notation system, namely regarding the translation of pure sound and timbral changes.

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[Pashkuli]

KvR is probably going to be among the least brutal places you'll get responses from, I hope you are indeed aware of that.

I see KvR as an online chit-chatter for fun and also some feedback (jokes and hobby enthusiasts arguing about nerdy stuff).
If you think I have not shown my stuff to "musically educated" officials and haven't got somehow polite, somehow not so "Just get the fuск out.", then maybe you think I am just an online enthusiast.

I have, since 2008 or around that time. The indoctrination of the mind is not a sickness, not a habit. It is a way of living.
Many people have spent years of training, practicing, learning, taking exams, building a career.

It is not that easy to show up to someone like that and say:
"That thing you did in your life was a great waste of time."

[Pashkuli]

namely regarding the translation of pure sound and timbral changes.

@Hink
see, those are the jokes I was referring to.

[fmr]

namely regarding the translation of pure sound and timbral changes.

@Hink
see, those are the jokes I was referring to.

This "joke" is a masterpiece of contemporary music.

But of course you don't know it. You are not "indoctrinated".

[vurt]

is that day in the life?

[gaggle of hermits]

see, those are the jokes I was referring to.

how would your notation deal with this?

from what I can see, the most it would do is make the lower right look a little bit tidier (and not necessarily more legible for a performer).