About CLAP

[Urs]

Yes, some kind of "bridge" is part of the concept, it's quite obvious that this possibility would be beneficial for everyone (including host manufacturers which do not wish to support CLAP).

Basically all public information is available in this thread and on the Github repository (linked in the first post). There really isn't that much more to say atm, as the code (easy to read, consistent, you get it) and its license speak for themselves.

In addition there are development centric chat channels (Google, Discord, Slack), where people involved talk a lot. That's mostly discussion about how to do this or that, and a nice gathering of who is who of plug-in/host companies who chose to wait for announcements until a later date.

[kinwie]

Superb!!
Looking forward!

[pc999]

This seems very interesting and promising
I hope it is a success

[Polomo123]

I believe this was the way of Name finding or similar :




Personal I think the idea is interesting

But I have Questions

Does it MPE ? (Read better implementation of Midi, but also problems with byte size on another point in this thread )
Does it work on Android (I read cross platforming, but this would be an awesome selling point )?
Does Microtuning work (tun and scl. like import ... sadly a neglected from many Devs, so for me a big concern )?
And do animation knobs and sliders work better than in VST (I read something that Markus wrote with Warlock that this was more than difficult in VST3 SDK) ?

Also, more generally , are there any downsides for users? Thanks for whom every try to answer .

[EvilDragon]

MPE is just MIDI, so yes it will work.

Microtuning is not related to the plugin SDK at all really - it is implemented at a higher level.

Plugin SDK has nothing to do with the GUI toolkit that is being used - separate thing entirely.

[Music Engineer]

Microtuning is not related to the plugin SDK at all really - it is implemented at a higher level.

apparently there is an extension in draft to support microtuning on the host level:

https://github.com/free-audio/clap/blob ... t/tuning.h

which makes a lot more sense than having each plugin have to handle its own tuning separately. after all, multiple instruments are supposed to play together in a song, so it makes sense to handle their tuning at a more central place, i.e. in the DAW, so...

Does Microtuning work (tun and scl. like import ... sadly a neglected from many Devs, so for me a big concern )?

...it would be up to host to support loading tuning files and passing that information on to the plugins via this extension - and then, of course, also the plugin needs to support it. so, an interface for microtuning is available and it would be up to the host and plugins to make use of it

[EvilDragon]

Right. Well, MTS-ESP does exist that remedies the "supposed to play together in a song" part. Nice to see it actually also being supported at plugin "root" level.

[Music Engineer]

aha - yes - interesting:

https://oddsound.com/usingmtsesp.php
https://github.com/ODDSound/MTS-ESP

looks like mts-esp is a kind of workaround for not having such a feature available more directly in the plugin api

[glennloopez]

the clap can be catchy as hell It sounds like some creative people are trying to develop what a lot of people dislike about VST. We be exciting to see what happens

[jpcima]

Does CLAP permit plugins to be formatted as bundles?
in form similar to vst3, where the plugin can be either dll alone, or directory with resource files.

[Urs]

Does CLAP permit plugins to be formatted as bundles?
in form similar to vst3, where the plugin can be either dll alone, or directory with resource files.

Yes of course.

[Cyoon]

This sounds like an interesting idea! Not that I know anything about the programming side of it, but it's good to see corporations being taken out of the equation! This must be the fastest growing thread, 11 days and already 19 pages, wow!

Are there plans to support older plugin standards too? Like a built in 'bridge'?

Is there a website for more info to keep track of news etc? I tried web search, but only get links to clap VST's lol

Thanks to everyone involved

you can track the GitHub repository for example.

https://github.com/free-audio/clap

Otherwise I'm not aware of any homepage.

[sl23]

Thanks for the link

[teilo]

Only just reading this now. This if freaking fantastic!!! I've been hoping for a project like this ever since VST3 became a thing. While I had hoped LV2 would gain traction, the commercial DAW/plugin developers didn't seem to want to deal with the chicken-egg of supporting it, a problem which CLAP seems already to have solved.

Looking forward to the day when we can tell Steinberg (the Oracle of the audio world) to shove it.

[mystran]

While I had hoped LV2 would gain traction, the commercial DAW/plugin developers didn't seem to want to deal with the chicken-egg of supporting it, a problem which CLAP seems already to have solved.

The real problem with LV2 has never been one of "chicken&egg" but rather that the overall design just doesn't meet the expectations of a sufficiently large base of developers and many of the problems are apparently "defining features" that make LV2 "better" and hence must be defended to the death.