Pashkuli: PMN (Plain Music Notation)

[vurt]

I contend that even for a bog-standard rock groove with kicks, snare, hat and toms, the regular notation will be more legible than trying to extract the vertical relationships from PMN

Your contend is futile.

Some of the noteheads I gave designed even resemble simple drum kit:

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Who would have thought, right? Well, I did. It was difficult... countless sleepless nights.

puts me in mind of fuzzy felts

[mladi]

"Which note is this one?"

geez.. plz not again this bs..

[N__K]

It is simple. Just learn the symbols and the letters for each note. By heart.

If I may comment, I actually do find that quite hard.

But then again, I also experience additional markups (the multitude of articulations etc.) of the traditional staff as challenging to memorize and recall. On the other hand, my brain seems to be much better at co/decoding more direct visual correlations - such as MIDI notes on equal-spaced piano roll in 12-TET, lines on DAW automation lanes representing parameter changes, etc.

Not sure how big a segment of population is similar to myself in that regard, but I believe that memorization requirements can be a problem for at least some of people trying to learn notation systems.

It might be an interesting thought experiment to imagine notation systems which are as non-symbolic as possible, so that it requires little to no memorization. I suspect that will almost always lead to ideas of iconically representing the interface of some instrument.


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Those personal views aside, my best wishes to your efforts, both the keyboard and the notation

I suspect they may be interesting especially to people whose cognitive abilites are well-suited for symbolic/associative thinking.

[vurt]

"Which note is this one?"

geez.. plz not again this bs..

b sharp.

[Hink]

I contend that even for a bog-standard rock groove with kicks, snare, hat and toms, the regular notation will be more legible than trying to extract the vertical relationships from PMN

Your contend is futile.

Some of the noteheads I have designed even resemble simple drum kit:

asdasdasd.jpg


Who would have thought, right? Well, I did. It was difficult... countless sleepless nights.

passes Pashkuli the bong sorry, couldnt resist

[jancivil]

So with drums notes, which use noteheads b.t.f.w., do you put heads onto the noteheads then
ok, someone got here first

there are optional note heads for percussion. and the ledger position can denote the drums in a kit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_notation

also, orchestral staves are normally accompanied by some indication of the instrument at the left.

So they've never seen any of this, one supposes

[jancivil]

Why don't we have 12 noteheads\lettters for each of the 12 notes

Because wiser heads have prevailed all these years?

[vurt]

hes right about one thing though, not all instruments have black and white keys.
ive got one with two shades of grey! and one with gold (i dont think its real gold).

[Pashkuli]

It is simple. Just learn the symbols and the letters for each note. By heart.

I actually do find that quite hard.

But then again, I also experience additional markups (the multitude of articulations etc.) of the traditional staff as challenging to memorize and recall. On the other hand, my brain seems to be much better at co/decoding more direct visual correlations - such as MIDI notes on equal-spaced piano roll in 12-TET, lines on DAW automation lanes representing parameter changes, etc.

I suspect that will almost always lead to ideas of iconically representing the interface of some instrument.

It might be hard... indeed. Especially if you are above 30, ok... maybe 40.
Yes, MIDI-piano rolls are great, because they exactly represent vertical interval structure.
But I bet you that once you remove the underling layout (of the piano), even if you keep the "octave" divisor lines... you will find it hard to 'read' where you are between intervals of notes\blocks.

Yes, "iconically representing the interface of some instrument"... actually any instrument, once you know how to play it, of course. It is 12 notes.
Please, do not tell me you have hard times remembering the months of the year, or the zodiac signs.

[Pashkuli]

Why don't we have 12 noteheads\lettters for each of the 12 notes

Because wiser heads have prevailed all these years?

No. Otherwise we would not have such ignorance and entitlement amongst all kind of "humans in charge of something". Especially in art... less so in science but let's not forget what they used to say about heliocentric system.

[Erisian]

Why don't we have 12 noteheads\lettters for each of the 12 notes

Because wiser heads have prevailed all these years?

No.

So you believe you are wiser than those who devised the system that has been used by so many for centuries?

[Pashkuli]

So you believe you are wiser than those who devised the system that has been used by so many for centuries?

At this point, I think you have no idea about it. I can only advise you to read the history of how this music notation came into being... and indoctrinated by indisputable authority.

Yes, those people were not wiser than a fairly good at school teenager today.

But if you go back, further back before the "indisputable authority", you will find remarkable things, not only with regards to Music.

One of the people during the times of "indisputable authority" who dared to lift the veil was Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Go, learn something.

[gaggle of hermits]

One of the people during the times of "indisputable authority" who dared to lift the veil was Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Go, learn something.

So, solfege is bad. But Rousseau's purely diatonic numeric system is good. Okaaaay.

You know that variants of that system are in use today, right? If you're entering notes on a computer keyboard, there's much to commend it. But, being purely diatonic at a point where equal temperament became commonplace and opened the door to chromaticism represented a key handicap. The places where that kind of notation is used tend to pentatonic or non-12TET or use a stripped-down form like the Nashville Number System.

[Erisian]

At this point, I think you have no idea about it. I can only advise you to read the history of how this music notation came into being... and indoctrinated by indisputable authority.

Right, I'm staying out of this now. Whenever somebody says something you don't like, you turn it around or create a false accusation. I have been studying music since I started playing the flute in the second year of junior school and I am now nearly 57 years old so don't tell me I don't know anything about it! I found traditional notation childs play compared to this ill thought out nonsense. Good luck, but you're pretty much on your own. Get over it!

[Pashkuli]

So, solfege is bad. But Rousseau's purely diatonic numeric system is good. Okaaaay.

Never said the notation of Rousseau was good... nor did I say it was bad.
It was something different more in the proximity of tablature or in that direction.

There are many variants used today but more as an upgrade to the standard music notation.
There is nothing wrong with being diatonic. But it is just a special case... a "favourite preference".

In China they also use something similar to Numbered System.
The fairly old by now Shape Note system (not exactly being inspired by it, as it is not really well designed: too closely related to standard stave) would be another example.

I have seen many including the ones Schoenberg proposed mid last century.
More on the entertaining side, rather than really something useful.