Tracking Apple Silicon Native Hosts, Plugins, Effects

[sQeetz]

Can't wait for Pace/iLok getting it together... once all Softube and Lustrous Plates go AS and Reason I think I'll try doing a full reset without installing rosetta.

[cadiz]

the latest Nepheton and Drumazon are crashing Cubase 11 (latest version) on Monterey (latest version), from scanning through their site it appears they don't officially support Monterey yet. Godfazer works though
This is the M1 macbook pro 10 core by the way.

...they're not in the blacklist, they just crash instantly upon loading.
Crashing Cubase 9.5 on the same machine too.

These plug-ins have not been updated (yet?) to support M1 native and macOS Monterey

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

BlueArp just went M1 native as of version 2.3.8: viewtopic.php?p=8317849#p8317849

[teilo]

Can't wait for Pace/iLok getting it together... once all Softube and Lustrous Plates go AS and Reason I think I'll try doing a full reset without installing rosetta.

While it's possible, it's not worth the fuss of not installing Rosetta. Many of the installers still require Rosetta, even though the plugins they install are native. And yes there are often (but not always) workarounds by manually extracting the installer contents, but honestly, there's nothing to gain from not installing Rosetta. It's won't slow things down by just being there, and it takes up so little space it doesn't matter. Plus it's damn handy to not have to worry about which software you can and cannot run.

[cadiz]

Can't wait for Pace/iLok getting it together... once all Softube and Lustrous Plates go AS and Reason I think I'll try doing a full reset without installing rosetta.

While it's possible, it's not worth the fuss of not installing Rosetta. Many of the installers still require Rosetta, even though the plugins they install are native. And yes there are often (but not always) workarounds by manually extracting the installer contents, honestly, there's nothing to gain from not installing Rosetta. It's won't slow things down by just being there, and it takes up so little space it's doesn't matter. Plus it's damn handy to not have to worry about which software you can and cannot run.

Indeed!

[sQeetz]

Can't wait for Pace/iLok getting it together... once all Softube and Lustrous Plates go AS and Reason I think I'll try doing a full reset without installing rosetta.

While it's possible, it's not worth the fuss of not installing Rosetta. Many of the installers still require Rosetta, even though the plugins they install are native. And yes there are often (but not always) workarounds by manually extracting the installer contents, honestly, there's nothing to gain from not installing Rosetta. It's won't slow things down by just being there, and it takes up so little space it's doesn't matter. Plus it's damn handy to not have to worry about which software you can and cannot run.

You're probably right. One day it will be gone anyway. By then I suppose everything will be ported over

[pdxindy]

Can't wait for Pace/iLok getting it together... once all Softube and Lustrous Plates go AS and Reason I think I'll try doing a full reset without installing rosetta.

While it's possible, it's not worth the fuss of not installing Rosetta. Many of the installers still require Rosetta, even though the plugins they install are native. And yes there are often (but not always) workarounds by manually extracting the installer contents, honestly, there's nothing to gain from not installing Rosetta. It's won't slow things down by just being there, and it takes up so little space it's doesn't matter. Plus it's damn handy to not have to worry about which software you can and cannot run.

You're probably right. One day it will be gone anyway. By then I suppose everything will be ported over

I'm happy with my choice not to install Rosetta... it doesn't have to make sense to someone else.

[dayjob]

Can't wait for Pace/iLok getting it together... once all Softube and Lustrous Plates go AS and Reason I think I'll try doing a full reset without installing rosetta.

While it's possible, it's not worth the fuss of not installing Rosetta. Many of the installers still require Rosetta, even though the plugins they install are native. And yes there are often (but not always) workarounds by manually extracting the installer contents, honestly, there's nothing to gain from not installing Rosetta. It's won't slow things down by just being there, and it takes up so little space it's doesn't matter. Plus it's damn handy to not have to worry about which software you can and cannot run.

You're probably right. One day it will be gone anyway. By then I suppose everything will be ported over

hopefully!

[sqigls]

one thing that has surprised me with this new machine... i've installed all my plugins, but the vst3 version instead of the vst2, when i've gone to open my projects i've found that 90% of the time they are not interchangeable. So i've had to go back and install the vst2 version again. Nice story. Well it's something for new owners to be wary of i guess, might save someone else half a day

...oh, and f**k VST3. What is the point really? Sidechain for the dynamics plugins, that's about it.

[jamcat]

VST3 gives you sample accurate automation. VST2 does not. That is a really big deal.

VST3 also suspends processing when audio is not present. VST2 does not.

There’s a lot more, but for me those are the top line features that makes VST3 an absolute requirement.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

VST3 gives you sample accurate automation. VST2 does not. That is a really big deal.

VST3 also suspends processing when audio is not present. VST2 does not.

There’s a lot more, but for me those are the top line features that makes VST3 an absolute requirement.

I'm pretty sure that I recall a developer saying that next to no VST3 plugins actually utilize the sample accurate automation capabilities. Have you tried to do audio rate modulations with VST3 plugins?

VST2 plugins have been capable of suspending processing for years. Lots of developers have done that with VST2.

[dayjob]

has any dev ever said anything good about VST3? all i've ever heard from devs is "why this steinberg? why!?"

[sqigls]

more often than not, the VST3 version of plugins has been far more unstable for me.
also VST3 doesn't import FXP, so it's been essential for me (at times) to use the VST2 version.
When VST3 was released, i was excited about the "suspend processing" thing, but in reality it's pretty useless.
Whatever the reason, the fault of developers not wanting to code to 'Steinberg specifications' etc... but VST3 has been a total pain in the ass for me. The only time I really need them is for the sidechain feature.

[jamcat]

has any dev ever said anything good about VST3? all i've ever heard from devs is "why this steinberg? why!?"

Devs who are unwilling or unable to properly code VST3 plugins will be replaced by newer, better developers who can code properly. That's how progress works.

Every time I see a dev complain about doing their job, I cringe. I also make a note to avoid their products. A few developers who post on KVR have taken themselves out of the running for my money.

[sqigls]

can confirm Exponential Audio verbs don't work on M1 Monterey. the VST versions anyway.