Pigments 3.5 vs Dune 3.5

[zvenx]

Can you tell which is which on my upload above?
rsp

The second half seems a little more middy. I think Pigments is the second half - I think I prefer the first whichever it is

You are right, and I do too.
Which is strange, cause listening to your audio it was the reverse. Maybe it is the Velocity I played it at?

rsp

[3ptguitarist]

While I appreciate comparisons between VST's, I'm specifically looking for comparisons between Dune and Pigments, though I'd be ok hearing other synths like repro in addition to the above two.

Here's a video I made of Van Halen Jump synth patch between Dune and Pigments. I'm not that experienced with synths and playing, so please excuse my moderate skills lol. I used one Sawtooth OSC in each VST with a some stock Reverb. Both are demos so I couldn't save the patches.

[chagzuki]

They have different unison detune settings, with width/stereo spread entirely different. Actually, that is one area where Pigments is questionable, the way stereo is handled in the unison... but first at least try to match settings.Ah, looking at the video it appears you have chorus enabled on Dune, rather than unison. Hmm... this is a bit silly. Yes, chorus makes things sound 'thicker'.

[chagzuki]

For this sort of patch 99% of synths will sound identical, though if one were using unison it is true that Pigments handles things differently from other synths in a way which probably isn't to most people's tastes. There's a video on YouTube from a few years back doing that comparison.

There are also some comparison videos for aliasing in wavetable handling, but for most purposes the differences are unlikely to matter in the real world.

[LFO8]

For this sort of patch 99% of synths will sound identical, though if one were using unison it is true that Pigments handles things differently from other synths in a way which probably isn't to most people's tastes. There's a video on YouTube from a few years back doing that comparison.

There are also some comparison videos for aliasing in wavetable handling, but for most purposes the differences are unlikely to matter in the real world.

Yep, the handeling of unison is quite different from synth to synth. I hate it on Alchemy for example but LOVE it on Omnisphere.

[chagzuki]

Arturia should add a third unison mode as the standard one seems to distribute voices pretty evenly across the stereo field and the overall result doesn't sound very wide for supersaws. The "Super" unison mode is more for creating nice cutting phase relationships, e.g. for lead sounds.

[kobal]

no disrespect to arturia but just think if pigment was made by u-he , that would be my go to probably

[MattLeschuck]

Between the two I much prefer Dune 3. The sound, filters and FX to me sound better and I find it much quicker getting usable results. As for Pigments, its modulation system is quick which i like and it packs a lot of features. However, sometimes less is more in my case. I find Rapid to be a good kind of hybrid of the two and I will always reach for it over Pigments.

Just today I was starting to build a patch in Pigments and it just buried my CPU. Here is an example of me playing some 7th chords. The first pic is just with a basic wavetable, basic modulation, unison, a utility sine and delay / reverb. Playing chords it was peaking around 63%. In the second pic I added a sample with the granular function. Peaked at 93% and crippled Reason. Buffer is set at 512 samples. Computer is a 2018 Mac Mini 6 core w/ 32gb of ram.

I just seem to run into problems CPU related when working with it so i hardly reach for it anymore.

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[fisherKing]

i just had a conversation with this scientist i met (dr. frank something); he's going to take dune and attach pigment's UI/UX to it, so i can have exactly what i want...

[3ptguitarist]

They have different unison detune settings, with width/stereo spread entirely different. Actually, that is one area where Pigments is questionable, the way stereo is handled in the unison... but first at least try to match settings.Ah, looking at the video it appears you have chorus enabled on Dune, rather than unison. Hmm... this is a bit silly. Yes, chorus makes things sound 'thicker'.

I didn't think I used any unison settings and I think both VST's had chorus on. Here's a new video where I show most of the settings used. I added Diva into the mix, but my reverb levels weren't right on it.

[chagzuki]

I'm not a Dune user and I'm not familiar with the UI, but it looks as though you have 2 oscillators with detune (density at 2), whereas Pigments is running one oscillator.

[clipnotic]

Which is the better VST and why? Pigments 3.5 or Dune 3.5?

Dune, because Dune sounds good

[3ptguitarist]

I'm not a Dune user and I'm not familiar with the UI, but it looks as though you have 2 oscillators with detune (density at 2), whereas Pigments is running one oscillator.

I didn't know density means 2 osc's. I used that to give more movement to the osc sound, because it sounds flat with density at 1. Pigments single osc has movement on it's own.

[carrieres]

I'm not a Dune user and I'm not familiar with the UI, but it looks as though you have 2 oscillators with detune (density at 2), whereas Pigments is running one oscillator.

I didn't know density means 2 osc's. I used that to give more movement to the osc sound, because it sounds flat with density at 1. Pigments single osc has movement on it's own.

no, Pigments single osc does not have movement on it's own.
you need phase to have movement introduced by unisson or detuning or two free running osc or modulation fx like chorus ...

[chagzuki]

Pigments analog single osc has tuning drift, but there won't be any movement generated by phase relationships until there are two oscillators drifting against each other. Small changes in phase between two oscillators produces the cutting phasing character associated with lead sounds. Repro initialised with 2 oscillators will already have this sort of sound since drift is fixed in the oscillators. Pigments allows for control of amount of drift.