Plans for MTransientEQ?

[AKJ]

Hi,

are there any plans for a MTransientEQ (in a similar vain as Sonible Entropy/Proximity and Eventide SplitEQ)? I know that most can already be achieved with MTransientMB, but the workflow of these tools is much faster/efficient so that a MTransientEQ (with all the usual Melda goodies) would be most welcome to me.

Cheers, AKJ

[smadger]

There are projects in these threads to make an alternative

[AKJ]

What do you mean by that?

[AGIGA]

This:

viewtopic.php?f=138&t=573094&hilit=eventide&start=15

[AKJ]

Well, this looks like what MTransientMB already does. It is not as intuitive as just dragging handles on an eq node. My asking for a dedicated plugin is about the (easy) workflow. What is more: not everybody owns/can afford MXXX.

[smadger]

Hmmmm, MTransientMB isn't an EQ, this is, and it's operationally the same as SplitEQ, just without the graph. It uses the tonal/transient crossover module to route the signals in to two independant EQs, it's not splitting a MTransientMB by frequency, they are completely different things.

This project can be created with MXXX Core and then buy unlocking the EQ module by getting a qualifying EQ plugin, if you time your purchase right it will cost you around 2/3 of the price of SplitEQ, all you lose is a graph, and you gain so much more.

Don't take this the wrong way, but it if you want an absolute clone of SplitEQ, then maybe you should just go get SplitEQ?

[AKJ]

multi band processing means splitting the signal in different frequency bands, this is not different from what an EQ actually is doing. And the tonal and the transient element is nothing else than attack and sustain in a transient shaper (at least, this is what I understand). Being able to do this by draging handles in EQ nodes is much faster and more intuitive than the solution you pointed to. Of course, I could get SplitEQ, but I do not want to (as Eventide uses a prohibitive iLok copy protection scheme which I want to avoid). And I believe that Melda can do it even better since the framework gives the user so much features other companies' products are lacking. What is more: Melda has already everything that is necessary. And I do not understand why you are opposing a dedicated plugin. if you wanted to point me to the MXXX solution: you have done that, and I say "thank you, but it is not exactly what I was asking for".

[jmg8]

MAutoDynamicEQ now has transient control in the band settings, try that.

[smadger]

multi band processing means splitting the signal in different frequency bands, this is not different from what an EQ actually is doing. And the tonal and the transient element is nothing else than attack and sustain in a transient shaper (at least, this is what I understand). Being able to do this by draging handles in EQ nodes is much faster and more intuitive than the solution you pointed to. Of course, I could get SplitEQ, but I do not want to (as Eventide uses a prohibitive iLok copy protection scheme which I want to avoid). And I believe that Melda can do it even better since the framework gives the user so much features other companies' products are lacking. What is more: Melda has already everything that is necessary. And I do not understand why you are opposing a dedicated plugin. if you wanted to point me to the MXXX solution: you have done that, and I say "thank you, but it is not exactly what I was asking for".

I don't think you understand what the MB functionality does in the Melda MB plugins. As I said before (but perhaps muddled my words) the "bands" aspect of the MB plugins does more than just frequency speraration and has been set in that community project to "tonal and transient" separation.



And also see the rest of the guides on MB features and functionality here - https://www.meldaproduction.com/tutoria ... /multiband

The processing of SplitEQ follows the chain; separate signal into two individual componenets - transient and tonal, you are then able to EQ each component individually, and then merge the signals back together.

The processing you are describing follows the chain; split the signal into frequency bands, and then change the attack of each band, there is no EQ control of the sustain element without altering the EQ of the transient. There is a difference.

And I'm not enormously opposed to the idea of a seperate plugin, but I was offering you a way to get exactly the same features, functionality, and processing chain, bar the graph, for less money and gain even more features at the same time. As mentioned above, MAutoDynamicEQ is also another incredibly powerful tool that now has transient capabilities, but it is not a like-for-like replacement for the SplitEQ processing chain, it will do most of what you think is happening though and you should check it out.

For what it's worth I'm not a fan of Eventide either after their publicity campaign specifically for SplitEQ made utterly absurd and innaccurate claims. They were not the first to put this technique in a plugin, there have been at least half a dozen, including Boz Transgressor that's been around for years, but the moment I pointed that out on various "sponsored" videos, my comments were removed in order to protect the hype.

[AKJ]

@smadger Well, before claiming that other people do not understand what is going on you should better question if you are understanding what is asked for. MTransientMB can sonically do everything I am after, I am just asking for a better workflow. The community project you pointed to does not offer the kind of workflow I hope for. And from what can be seen in the pic, it is just a multi band transient shaper without the tabbed design in MTransientMB. Just view it like that: Melda has MDynamicsMB and MDynamicEQ. Roughly, they do the same thing but with a different workflow and feature set. Now, as a similar brother to MTransientMB, I am asking for MTransientEQ - just for a workflow improvement.

@jmg8 thanks. I read that in the added features list but I thought it was a feature in thevain of the old Voxengo Transmodder (control on how bands react to transient vs non-transient signals). But I will check it out. (I did not update to V15 so far because of the GUI nightmare which was introduced, but I hope and read that can be globally disabled)

[Held]

The community project you pointed to does not offer the kind of workflow I hope for. And from what can be seen in the pic, it is just a multi band transient shaper without the tabbed design in MTransientMB.

It's not. It's two instances of MEqualizer. One processes the transients and one processes the tonal parts. You can open both equalizers at the same time to have visual feedback too.

[smadger]

@smadger Well, before claiming that other people do not understand what is going on you should better question if you are understanding what is asked for. MTransientMB can sonically do everything I am after, I am just asking for a better workflow. The community project you pointed to does not offer the kind of workflow I hope for. And from what can be seen in the pic, it is just a multi band transient shaper without the tabbed design in MTransientMB. Just view it like that: Melda has MDynamicsMB and MDynamicEQ. Roughly, they do the same thing but with a different workflow and feature set. Now, as a similar brother to MTransientMB, I am asking for MTransientEQ - just for a workflow improvement.

The problem is you're mixing terminology as if it doesn't matter, but it does, a shaper is not an EQ even if it's a multiband shaper - they fundamentally operate in different domains and do different things, just because you may end up with something that sounds similar, it's not at all.

You want a better GUI in a transient shaper plugin, but are asking for an EQ, giving examples of EQ's, calling EQ's transient shapers when they're not, and are jumping to conclusions about what's going on in that project.

If I am confused about what you're asking for, can you understand where that confusion may be coming from?

[AKJ]

The problem is you're mixing terminology as if it doesn't matter, but it does, a shaper is not an EQ even if it's a multiband shaper - they fundamentally operate in different domains and do different things, just because you may end up with something that sounds similar, it's not at all.

You want a better GUI in a transient shaper plugin, but are asking for an EQ, giving examples of EQ's, calling EQ's transient shapers when they're not, and are jumping to conclusions about what's going on in that project.

If I am confused about what you're asking for, can you understand where that confusion may be coming from?

Who said that a shaper is an EQ? But any multi-band plugin in fact is a kind of EQ (with additional processing on top of possible to amplitude changes). SplitEQ is an eq plus tansient shaper per band - just like a dynamic eq is an eq plus compressor per band. multi band compressing an dynamic equalization are virtually the same just as a multi band transient shaper is virtually the same thing as a transient eq (with different workflow).

[AKJ]

It's not. It's two instances of MEqualizer. One processes the transients and one processes the tonal parts. You can open both equalizers at the same time to have visual feedback too.

thanks for clarifying this, the GUI gives a different impression. I will try it. However, it is clear that I am asking for a dedicated plugin with optimized workflow. Actually, one could almost always say: just do it with MXXX. But did Reaktor kill all soft synth plugins? no! And MXXX is a nice and powerful tool, but it's no replacement for dedicated plugins. So please, if you are happy with that which is offered by MXXX: enjoy! This is, however, no reason to deny the usefulness of other tools/approaches. I believe that it would be quite easy for MeldaProduction to add another alternative to the transient eq market since all the technology is already there. And I believe that there is a market for such an EQ from a company not relying on dongles and challenge/response hassles.

[smadger]

"...SplitEQ is an eq plus tansient shaper per band..." - No, it's not.

"...a multi band transient shaper is virtually the same thing as a transient eq..." - No, they're not the same.

But let's forget this and just get on with our lives. Melda is awesome, I'm glad you're here, hopefully we can talk again and see eye to eye on something in the future.