TO ALL Developers of Software Plugins ! Take out Personal Informations from Plugins !
- KVRian
- 876 posts since 12 Jan, 2004 from Boston, MA
I'm with chk90210 here. Good luck, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
This isn't really the forum for talking about it, but I have to admit, I've not really gotten on the privacy bandwagon the way most people have. I'd really, REALLY rather see strict rules against the use of privileged information than trying to force a culture of privacy. It's a form of blaming the victim. It's not OUR responsibility to keep other people from abusing our information. That's (part of) what governments are for.
But I digress.
[steps down from soapbox]
This isn't really the forum for talking about it, but I have to admit, I've not really gotten on the privacy bandwagon the way most people have. I'd really, REALLY rather see strict rules against the use of privileged information than trying to force a culture of privacy. It's a form of blaming the victim. It's not OUR responsibility to keep other people from abusing our information. That's (part of) what governments are for.
But I digress.
[steps down from soapbox]
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- KVRAF
- 2367 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
It's not that simple. I got asked why I don't release anything under my real name. Easy: I'm the only person with that name in this country. A simple google search on my name by my employer or a prospective customer would mean that they can find everything I've made that includes me voicing political views etc. That's not a situation I want to be in, nor one I want to put my employer in.Introspective wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:57 pm I'd really, REALLY rather see strict rules against the use of privileged information than trying to force a culture of privacy. It's a form of blaming the victim.
The last thing I'd want is my employer losing a contract to a government agency or someone with strong opposing political views because I loudmouthed in my spare time.
This is a point that has already been made in this thread. It's normally a good thing to keep your private and business lives separate, especially if your name makes you uniquely identifiable. If you are called "John Smith" and live in the States, it doesn't matter.
Now, I appreciate that a name in a VST isn't going to show up in Google search, but it's a similar principle; that name in a video can lead to you finding out where I live, for example. Maybe I don't want that to happen. Surely that is my choice, not someone else's, how much information about myself I want to disclose publicly.
I don't see how that's blaming the victim, given that the victim has no say in the matter. They're just a simple user that has no say in the UI design of the VST or whatever. It's blaming the person who made the decision, not the person who may be impacted by the decision (as it should be).
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- KVRist
- 483 posts since 17 Sep, 2020
Indeed and some big names too in terms of EDM. Which is a sad state of affairs.
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- KVRAF
- 35431 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
That's kind of the problem with the internet though: A public place where everyone is anonymous.sjm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:32 pmIt's not that simple. I got asked why I don't release anything under my real name. Easy: I'm the only person with that name in this country. A simple google search on my name by my employer or a prospective customer would mean that they can find everything I've made that includes me voicing political views etc. That's not a situation I want to be in, nor one I want to put my employer in.Introspective wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:57 pm I'd really, REALLY rather see strict rules against the use of privileged information than trying to force a culture of privacy. It's a form of blaming the victim.
... says the guy with the forum nickname.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105838 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRian
- 876 posts since 12 Jan, 2004 from Boston, MA
I don't disagree with any particular point of what you said, but I do feel the need to explain this comment (since I realize it was as clear as mud, sorry).sjm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:32 pmI don't see how that's blaming the victim, given that the victim has no say in the matter. They're just a simple user that has no say in the UI design of the VST or whatever. It's blaming the person who made the decision, not the person who may be impacted by the decision (as it should be).Introspective wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:57 pm I'd really, REALLY rather see strict rules against the use of privileged information than trying to force a culture of privacy. It's a form of blaming the victim.
So to reiterate, first off: saying it's "a form of blaming the victim" was a stupid choice. Now, having said that:
Privacy advocates have a habit of blaming people in general. Like it's your own damn fault it you sign up to things with your real name, if you don't shred all of your junk mail, if you use your social security number online, if you leave your computer camera uncovered, if you use a baby monitor. My point--and again, it's a weak one, so bear with me and try not to murder the strawman, here--is that I would RATHER that society INSTEAD took the stance that abusing other people's privacy is UNACCEPTABLE. Giant fines. Long jail times. Public shaming. Tarred and feathered. The works.
I recognize and sympathize with someone in your uniquely-identifiable position, and I would never blame you (or anyone) for WANTING to protect themselves. I'm just bemoaning the fact that human beings are a fickle lot that see deep evils and decide the way to handle it is by telling people to pull up their @#$^ing bootstraps and fix it them-damn-selves.
But I am, as you can see, a bleeding-heart, liberal leftist shill who needs to go cry in his safe-space. I'm not so stupid as to think my complaints are really something that can be "fixed." I'm just complaining at the sorry state of affairs.
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- KVRAF
- 1568 posts since 1 Aug, 2006 from Italy
I'm a honest citizen living in a democratic country, I have nothing to hide but I still dislike the idea of my real name / email / username displayed in plain sight on anything to anyone. It makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, to be honest. I don't like writing my name on things, too.
Also, personal informations are an opportunity for criminals like thieves (they may want to steal the identity, steal software licenses... or identify the house to come and steal things) or haters (people may hate for any reason, even just for the sake of hating!).
I don't make videos / livestreams and I don't plan to (but who knows in the future), so it's not a big deal for me at the moment, but it's still something I don't like much. Those informations can be covered while editing a video (of course it's additional work!), but it's a problem with livestreams.
I'd probably avoid those software all together if I was into making videos (I think that most of my software don't show my license info on the gui).
Since I know it's a protection measure for devs (so they may quickly check if a user is legit), I think a good compromise from a user point of view would be to show a non human-readable code calculated with a custom secret function (something like a hash and then something else, so it can't easily be attacked by brute force) from some licence info, so the devs could compare that code with their database of customers (instead of using the username / email / real name)... of course I don't know if this is feasible and if it has consequences on the protection scheme they use (be it on the technical side of the protection, but also as a psychological tool to prevent sharing, as people should be less likely to share their licenses with friends if there's their name clearly written on the gui). Could this be an idea?
Also, personal informations are an opportunity for criminals like thieves (they may want to steal the identity, steal software licenses... or identify the house to come and steal things) or haters (people may hate for any reason, even just for the sake of hating!).
I don't make videos / livestreams and I don't plan to (but who knows in the future), so it's not a big deal for me at the moment, but it's still something I don't like much. Those informations can be covered while editing a video (of course it's additional work!), but it's a problem with livestreams.
I'd probably avoid those software all together if I was into making videos (I think that most of my software don't show my license info on the gui).
Since I know it's a protection measure for devs (so they may quickly check if a user is legit), I think a good compromise from a user point of view would be to show a non human-readable code calculated with a custom secret function (something like a hash and then something else, so it can't easily be attacked by brute force) from some licence info, so the devs could compare that code with their database of customers (instead of using the username / email / real name)... of course I don't know if this is feasible and if it has consequences on the protection scheme they use (be it on the technical side of the protection, but also as a psychological tool to prevent sharing, as people should be less likely to share their licenses with friends if there's their name clearly written on the gui). Could this be an idea?
- KVRAF
- 5140 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia
that can be done with a randomly auto-generated key that |is not based on/in no way| references user's name
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Living Room Rocker Living Room Rocker https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=246377
- KVRer
- 26 posts since 26 Dec, 2010
I wouldn't have a problem if they put my name in the About info with my serial number. But that's just about it.
Kind regards,
Living Room Rocker
Kind regards,
Living Room Rocker
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- KVRAF
- 1574 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
It's really gaudy and bad looking but I deal with it. There are a few that show off name and address!!!